Mid Cycle drop, Anavar the answer>

[Anat]

Current stats

83kg
23% BF
178cm


Currently on week 8 of following cyle

week 1 - 5 Anabol 10 50mg day
week 1- 10 Test E 400mg week
week 1 - 12 Deca 500mg week

up until week 7 the increase in muscle mass, strenght gains great 5kg gained, now taken out the anabol on week 5 and just on the deca and test the weight gains have stopped, someone suggest to drop in anavar or clen to pick up the gains and work with the Test and Deca. Hmmm not sure about that one, anyone got any advice on how to optimize the last 5 weeks of this cycle?????/

[johnnybigguns]

Clen won't help with gains.
Big problem you should be running your test atleast one week longer then your deca.
You BF is way too high to be cycling.
What is your cycle history?

[Big]

for starters your stats indicate you shouldn't even be on cycle, then we need to consider that test needs to be run longer past the end of deca, running test for 10 and deca for 12 is an awful idea, the weight gained early is probably water from the anabol.
what's your pct?

[Mammon]

posts like these should easily get me to 2000 posts tonight..

hows that diet too

[jamyjamjr]

^^^^ look at you... you go getter

[Phate]

posts like these should easily get me to 2000 posts tonight..

hows that diet too

stealing my thunder there mammon, lol

[Mammon]

stealing my thunder there mammon, lol

i just set them up and let you knock em down.. lol

[Phate]

i just set them up and let you knock em down.. lol

Lol, very nice, 2000 coming soon

[Anat]

Ok easy guys, wrong info,

man u guys get excited easy!!!!!!

re corrected

cycle

week 1 - 5 Anabol10 50mg day
week 1- 12 Test E 500mg week
week 1 - 11 Deca 400mg week

As per recommendation

1st time on injectible cycle

Have done 5 cycles previously with just orals, (because lack of knowledge.) now following injectible cycle as per steroid.com cycle information.

Up to week 8 now, have a stop on growth, followed da cycle as per recommended, BF is 13%, now sitting at 83kg, no more growth, have 4 weeks left of the cycle and want to keep progressing with the gains, hence why asking advice.......



BF 13%
Height 178cm
Weight 83kg

Diet: 8 small - medium sized meals a day, fish, chicken (lean meats. Salads carbs, fruit.)
Amino tabs 3 times a day
Protein shakes 3 times a day

[Mammon]

cycle looks ok now.. how about pct?

[Big]

you should post pics

[jamyjamjr]

wait on the pics... post your diet and training routine up first

[Big]

you should post pics

wait on the pics... post your diet and training routine up first

o rly?

[jamyjamjr]

o rly?

no disrespect big.. but the guys bf is a bit high.. maybe his gains could continue with diet and routine tweaking... jmo....

im not saying dont post pics

[Big]

no disrespect big.. but the guys bf is a bit high.. maybe his gains could continue with diet and routine tweaking... jmo....

im not saying dont post pics

which is high, the 23% he initially said it was, or the 13% he changed it to in post 9, which prompted me to ask for pics so we can see if he needs diet help lol.

[Mammon]

just noticed that.. dropped 10% bf in 28 minutes.. now thats impressive..

[Phate]

just noticed that.. dropped 10% bf in 28 minutes.. now thats impressive..

i know right, i got to see this diet

[jamyjamjr]

lmao... well then...

[Anat]

Training 2 times a day,
morning 5 am
1 hour bicpes, tripceps and legs,
night 7.00pm
1 hour chest, back, lats, shoulders

Diet
6.00am protein shake, 2 bananas, 40gr yoghurt

7.30am thai breakfast (in thailand.) fried rice, noodles etc approx 120gr

10.00am whole toast 2 slices and 2 eggwhites fried

11.00am Thai lunch, curry steamed rice approx 140gr

12.45pm Fish or steak with veg approx 140gr

14.00pm protein shake

15.00pm fruit 2 apple

16.30 Thai early dinner curry rice approx 160gr

18.00pm pasta, approx 160gr

20.30 protein shake 2 banana

Have not finished cycle yet but plan on PCT of
Day 1 - Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

Now excuse my ignorance but i dont start my PCT until end of cycle? Which will be in 4 weeks, I am only up to week 8, y are you asking me about PCT?

Have photo but not completely confident to post as not at the stage or close to the stage you guys are at yet.

Any advice how to pick back up my gains at week 8 of my cycle? With four weeks left to go?

[Big]

I was giving the benefit of doubt that the 23% was a typo, I thought pics to show his base would help us determine where to go from here.

[Anat]

In addition training 6 days on and one day off

[Big]

Now excuse my ignorance but i dont start my PCT until end of cycle? Which will be in 4 weeks, I am only up to week 8, y are you asking me about PCT?

well I guess we could wait till the day you start pct to ask about it, and if it's wrong, you can just not do a good pct because you don't have time to get what you need...

[Mammon]

you should already have pct planned and the stuff on hand.

and the training..

Training 2 times a day,
morning 5 am
1 hour bicpes, tripceps and legs,
night 7.00pm
1 hour chest, back, lats, shoulders

you do this every day?

[jamyjamjr]

Training 2 times a day,
morning 5 am
1 hour bicpes, tripceps and legs,
night 7.00pm
1 hour chest, back, lats, shoulders

Diet
6.00am protein shake, 2 bananas, 40gr yoghurt

7.30am thai breakfast (in thailand.) fried rice, noodles etc approx 120gr

10.00am whole toast 2 slices and 2 eggwhites fried

11.00am Thai lunch, curry steamed rice approx 140gr

12.45pm Fish or steak with veg approx 140gr

14.00pm protein shake

15.00pm fruit 2 apple

16.30 Thai early dinner curry rice approx 160gr

18.00pm pasta, approx 160gr

20.30 protein shake 2 banana

Have not finished cycle yet but plan on PCT of
Day 1 - Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

Now excuse my ignorance but i dont start my PCT until end of cycle? Which will be in 4 weeks, I am only up to week 8, y are you asking me about PCT?

Have photo but not completely confident to post as not at the stage or close to the stage you guys are at yet.

Any advice how to pick back up my gains at week 8 of my cycle? With four weeks left to go?

ding! ding! ding! we have a winner... your diet and training routine need work... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

watch the videos... base your diet off them, they worked great for me, then post your NEW diet up... why do you train twice a day??? why not do something simple like a muscle group a day 5 days a week??

[jamyjamjr]

you should already have pct planned and the stuff on hand.

and the training..



you do this every day?

my point exactly

[Immortal Soldier]

Wow...your training routine is just.....awful my friend. Two-days in that shape are horrible for you and the fact you think "more is better" you workout every part way more than you should.

So that plus your diet, plus the fact I still believe you are 23% bf leads me to believe you didn't have the right understand for working out before you jumped on AAS.

[Phate]

Training 2 times a day,
morning 5 am
1 hour bicpes, tripceps and legs,
night 7.00pm
1 hour chest, back, lats, shoulders
everyday^^^^? i hope not
Diet
6.00am protein shake, 2 bananas, 40gr yoghurt
protein shake consists of what? stats on the yogurt?
7.30am thai breakfast (in thailand.) fried rice, noodles etc approx 120gr
stats on this?
10.00am whole toast 2 slices and 2 eggwhites fried
10-12 egg whites, cut toast and add oatmeal, 80g measured dry
11.00am Thai lunch, curry steamed rice approx 140gr
no protein in this, cut completely, how bout chicken and brown rice
12.45pm Fish or steak with veg approx 140gr
how much fish or steak?
14.00pm protein shake
need carb or fat here, whats in the shake
15.00pm fruit 2 apple
this isn't a meal, needs protein and if it's not preworkout you don't need the simple sugars
16.30 Thai early dinner curry rice approx 160gr
same advice as above
18.00pm pasta, approx 160gr
not a meal, add protein
20.30 protein shake 2 banana
good PWO, but not good before bed
Have not finished cycle yet but plan on PCT of
Day 1 - Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

Now excuse my ignorance but i dont start my PCT until end of cycle? Which will be in 4 weeks, I am only up to week 8, y are you asking me about PCT?
read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626
Have photo but not completely confident to post as not at the stage or close to the stage you guys are at yet.
we don't care, we need to see what you look like, post it
Any advice how to pick back up my gains at week 8 of my cycle? With four weeks left to go?

yeah, start eating correctly

[Anat]

Yes have the PCT on hand already to go, was thinking that maybe didn't know something,

Yes training twice a day, because enjoy the work outs, this has worked for my body well.

Ok some help with my diet thanks will follow the thread and alter,

Now will the diet just effect the sudden drop of gains after taking the anabol out of the cycle? Is there anything else I can do to help re gain the earlier gains?

[jamyjamjr]

nice phate

[jamyjamjr]

im guessing you've got a nice big bloat going on.. and your not gonna hold on to much of your gains (cuz you really havn't made any, based upon your diet) change your training routine.. you came here for help... we're givin it to you

[Mammon]

Yes have the PCT on hand already to go,

WHAT IS IT
Yes training twice a day, because enjoy the work outs, this has worked for my body well.

SO WORKING EACH BODY PART EVERYDAY, HOLY OVER TRAINING.
THATS NOT GOOD YOU KNOW.. YOU GROW WHEN YOU REST. I HIT EACH MUSCLE GROUP ONCE A WEEK.. WELL, I HIT ABS ABOUT ED

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[Big]

I don't see how training like that could work for anyone.

[Anat]

[IMG]http://C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Personal\Update photo 6 weeks training.jpg

Will look at working each muscle group a day and rest more

Plus thanks Phate for the diet advice.

PCT is

Day 1 - Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

[Mammon]

what week are you starting pct.. that first day is a little excessive imo..
id just run 100mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex for 30 days or so..
that high dose the first day always caused me issues when running the old protocol..

[Phate]

[IMG]http://C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Personal\Update photo 6 weeks training.jpg

Will look at working each muscle group a day and rest more

Plus thanks Phate for the diet advice.

PCT is

Day 1 - Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

anytime, if you post in the diet section we can be more specific, that was pretty basic since i didn't have much to work with, btw, no point in running 250mg of clomid the first day 100mg will work just as well

[jamyjamjr]

[IMG]http://C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Personal\Update photo 6 weeks training.jpg
Will look at working each muscle group a day and rest more

Plus thanks Phate for the diet advice.

PCT is

Day 1 - Clomid 250mg + Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 20 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

open the file.. copy and paste... im interested

[Phate]

[Phate]

open the file.. copy and paste... im interested

all he has to do is add [/IMG] to the end of that sequence and it will show the picture

[Mammon]

/////////////////// lol.. nevermind..

[Phate]

mammon, you tried to add what i said at the end didn't you, lol