What Gains can I expect?

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:36 PM

I'm 30, 6', 195lbs. Been lifting for 12 years and supplement protein and creatine. What gains can I expect with this cycle?

250mg test cyp. 1-12wks

200mg Deca 1-12wks

50 mg EOD Winny 1-5wks

Arimadex 1mg 2 X wk

**jamyjamjr** · 03-21-2009, 12:42 PM

up your test cyp to about 600mg a week.. the oil the test is connected to is heavy, so your not really getting 250mg of test in... i'd say go 600, or at least 500..

it all matters to your diet.. have you had your diet critiqued??

**jamyjamjr** · 03-21-2009, 12:42 PM

a-dex should be done .25mg eod to start..

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:44 PM

Can you give me an idea of the gains I could make on my posted cycle. I will probably raise the test to 350mg/wk. But please comment on the posted cycle. Thank you.

**hankdiesel** · 03-21-2009, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by roserose

Can you give me an idea of the gains I could make on my posted cycle. I will probably raise the test to 350mg/wk. But please comment on the posted cycle. Thank you.

Your dosages are whack and your gains will be minimal.

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:46 PM

My diet will consist of 4 quality protein sakes every day. And at least three lean protein filled meals with good healthy carbs and veggies.

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:48 PM

You say the dosages are "Whack". But I've heard many people make gains on just a cycle of 250 sust., cyp, enth.

**jamyjamjr** · 03-21-2009, 12:48 PM

^^^ your diet is also whack...
watch these videos

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

then post a diet based upon them..

350mg of test c is worthless... if it was prop then i'd say great!!! cuz that's what im on right now... but the weight of prop is way lighter then cyp

**The_Dark** · 03-21-2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by roserose

I'm 30, 6', 195lbs. Been lifting for 12 years and supplement protein and creatine. What gains can I expect with this cycle?

250mg test cyp. 1-12wks

200mg Deca 1-12wks

50 mg EOD Winny 1-5wks

Arimadex 1mg 2 X wk

Test up to 600-1000mg per week
Winny 50-70mg ed
I believe this is your first cycle? If so try going with a couple stack like i would recommend above. You may not know what works best for you. Trial-n-error first. Cheers

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:51 PM

Thats strange bc one of the suggested novice cycle on this web site i 400-500mg test and 200-400mg of deca for 12 weeks. If i raise the test to 350 thats pretty close to exactly the same cycle.

**jamyjamjr** · 03-21-2009, 12:54 PM

400-500 mg of test what?? seems u dont understand how esters work

prop has a half life of 3 days.. as in if you inject 100mg, you'll have 50mg left in three days

cyp has a half life of more then 2 weeks, which means there's alot more oil in there..

ie (these arn't exact numbers)
50mg of prop might equate to 40-45mg of test
while 250mg of cyp would equate to 150mg of test

u get it?

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:57 PM

Thanks Dark. It is my first cycle in 10 years. I ran an eight week cycle of deca 10 years ago. was stupid and didn't have test in the cycle. I get raising the test I'll try it at 400mg.

Thanks Jamy I'm going to watch those videos right now!

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 12:58 PM

Read the post its test cyp. and yes I understand how the esters work quite well. Its not difficult to grasp!

**The_Dark** · 03-21-2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by roserose

Thanks Dark. It is my first cycle in 10 years. I ran an eight week cycle of deca 10 years ago. was stupid and didn't have test in the cycle. I get raising the test I'll try it at 400mg.

Thanks Jamy I'm going to watch those videos right now!

No prob, bro

**hankdiesel** · 03-21-2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by The_Dark

Test up to 600-1000mg per week
Winny 50-70mg ed
I believe this is your first cycle? If so try going with a couple stack like i would recommend above. You may not know what works best for you. Trial-n-error first. Cheers

I hope there are no newbies on here who pay attention to these insane doses you propose for a first cycle. To the original poster, I would drop the deca . It will be of little value at that dose. Take the test at 375mg a week. Contrary to what others will say, you will see very nice gains at that dose. I would cut back on the shakes and add an extra meal in there. Good luck bro.

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 01:11 PM

Thanks Hankdiesel. I've seen so much variation in what people say here. Your recommendation seems more in line with what conventional wisdom suggest. I'm not a competing bodybuilder I'm just looking to get a quality muscular physique. I have to disagree that 200mg of deca won't do any thing the medical literature suggest at that dose patients gained 2-5lbs per wk.

**roserose** · 03-21-2009, 01:19 PM

But still no one has answered the question!

**Dizz28** · 03-21-2009, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by roserose

But still no one has answered the question!

there's no way any of us can answer the question. You can answer it your self by the amount of food/rest/training you do

**Big** · 03-21-2009, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by The_Dark

Test up to 600-1000mg per week
Winny 50-70mg ed
I believe this is your first cycle? If so try going with a couple stack like i would recommend above. You may not know what works best for you. Trial-n-error first. Cheers

Truly awful advice for a first cycle, don't make it a habit to advise like this.

**Big** · 03-21-2009, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by roserose

But still no one has answered the question!

gains will be minimal, your cycle and diet are sub-par.

**Pittbull78** · 03-21-2009, 09:38 PM

I agree with Big - gains will be minimal. Don't bother "stacking" with deca . Just run the Cyp for your first cycle that way you don't have to pin yourself eod. There's nothing wrong with just running test - I do it all the time in high dosages and I get excellent results.

**Hazard** · 03-21-2009, 09:50 PM

I would also agree w/ dropping the deca . I would up the test to 350/400mg's a week and increase my calories big time..... you'll see nice results. Your total net weight gain is going to depend on your dedication.

~Haz~