D-Bol Cycle

[scarface22]

Hey guys, I started a cycle with just D-Bol at 20mg/day, I know I know just D-Bol alone is looked down upon. However, it is my first cycle and I didn't think I was ready for injections so I decided to do it D-Bol alone considering how many people seemed to gain 25, 28 and even 30 pounds in 6 weeks with D-bol at 25mg/day and kept half or more with an aggressive pct. Anyways my question is, I only have d-bol in a 20mg capsule, and D-Bol seems to stay in your system 4-6 hours if not less, so when would be the best time to take the capsule, before workout, 2 hours before workout, after workout...please save your bashing and smart answers, i don't want lectures on how i should be doing injections with d-bol blah blah, i simply want to know when the best time to take the pill is since its only once a day. FIrst workout i took the pill 40 minutes before workout and next day noticed gains in chest, other days i took it during the day and don't seem to notice much...

[Mammon]

then take it before the workout.. it dont really matter.. whatever..

how about pct?

[scarface22]

for the post cycle therapy i was thinking 6 weeks 20mg/day novaldex and 4 week 20mg/day aromasin i did want to take clomid before but as i did more research it ended up showing 120mg of clomid does pretty much the same thing as 20mg/day novaldex

[Dizz28]

Before bed... that's when you grow

Not that I condone any part of taking 20mgs once a day and that being the only thing you take that is... but if you insist on a crap "cycle" then there you go

[scarface22]

Its true your muscle grows with rest but when you workout if you have more testosterone wouldn't you be able to workout longer without over training or should workouts on steroids still be 45 minutes or so?

[Dizz28]

Its true your muscle grows with rest but when you workout if you have more testosterone wouldn't you be able to workout longer without over training or should workouts on steroids still be 45 minutes or so?

no...

Dbol isn't testosterone by the way

There are certain compounds that typically increase agressiveness, Methyltest being one of them, but that won't give you more energy or somehow keep you from overtraining

[Hazard]

for the post cycle therapy i was thinking 6 weeks 20mg/day novaldex and 4 week 20mg/day aromasin i did want to take clomid before but as i did more research it ended up showing 120mg of clomid does pretty much the same thing as 20mg/day novaldex

clomid and nolva are different compounds and do different things.... research in the PCT section......

~Haz~

[scarface22]

i know its not testosterone but i thought anabolic steroids increase the amount of testosterone present in the body or does that depend on the steroid

[scarface22]

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

if you read down it states
"Why don’t we use Clomid, another SERM? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone) (6)"

[Dizz28]

i know its not testosterone but i thought anabolic steroids increase the amount of testosterone present in the body or does that depend on the steroid

Depends on the steroid. Some shut your natural testosterone down and leave you with 0 levels unless you suppliment it with injectable testosterone

Clomid and Nolvadex are in the same class of medications. They both block estrogen but don't prevent the production of it. Mg for Mg Nolvadex is more effective returning natural test levels. Also has much less sides effects I've found in my use of the two

[scarface22]

I've already taken 20mg pill today when I woke up
should i take one before bedtime since I have 8 pills to spare (cycle is only 42 days i have 50 pills)
or should I stay with ONLY 20mg/day
thanks for the help

[Dizz28]

how would we recommend doses when we know nothing about you and the food you eat

[Pittbull78]

People can say whatever they want but the truth is alot of guy's first cycle was dbol! I know mine was back in the day. You fit the classic I want gear but I don't want to pin myself category - its understandable - but know this - dbol is only the begining my friend. Sure you'll make some gains - quality? ehh..probably not. But chances are it'll be enough to have you wake up and smell the coffee - or should I say winneee? Before you know it you'll be slamming those darts into your leg like a pro. And you know what's scary - eventually you'll look forward to injection day. You'll kinda enjoy the pain as you push all that beautiful golden deep into your muscles, and you'll wonder what the F@#$ you were so scared about in the first place. But your not there yet - so enjoy the Dbol - I happen to love it - and even though I never run it alone these days - I happen to think highly of this compound, if Test is "King" then Dbol is the "Godfather". A godfather that has been getting mother f$#kers big for a long, long, time. Be sure to do it right and take no less than 40 mgs a day! I run it as high as 75 mgs a day and it always delivers. Train Hard. Good Luck!

[scarface22]

good point,
4 meals a day with 2 protein shakes in between
try to get 2 liters of water or more
so in end its around
3000 calories/day minimum
232grams of protein/day minimum

[scarface22]

People can say whatever they want but the truth is alot of guy's first cycle was dbol! I know mine was back in the day. You fit the classic I want gear but I don't want to pin myself category - its understandable - but know this dbol is only the begining my friend. Sure you'll make some gains - quality? ehh..probably not. But chances are it'll be enough to have you wake up and smell the coffee - or should I say winneee? Before you know it you'll be slamming those darts into your leg like a pro. And you know what's scary - eventually you'll look forward to injection day. You'll kinda enjoy the pain as you push all that beautiful golden deep into your muscles, and you'll wonder what the F@#$ you were so scared about in the first place. But your not there yet - so enjoy the Dbol - I happen to love it - and even though I never run it alone these days - I happen to think highly of this compound, if Test is "King" then Dbol is the "Godfather". A godfather that has been getting mother f$#kers big for a long, long, time. Be sure to do it right and take no less than 40 mgs a day! I run it as high as 75 mgs a day and it always delivers. Train Hard. Good Luck!

lolll thats true but I'm scared of needles, hate them but i know i probably will inject at some point, i choose d-bol because i read about the gains it produces in such little time, sure its a bit toxic but hey wth if im going to be taking a strong oral steroid might as well be the strongest one

[Pittbull78]

Trust me man Dbol aint that toxic - esp if you keep the dosages reasonable. Since everybody's different you need to find out how your body takes to the stuff. Chances are you'll benefit from 50mgs a day. First cycles have the benefit of getting a little more out of less but I wouldn't push that principle and only take 25 or 30 mgs a day - you'll be disappointed with the results if you do. It unlikely you'll put on 30 lbs with just 25 mgs a day unless your a complete genetic freak! Oh - and don't drink on it for the love of god like some of these dip sh#@s do - thats where you'll run into problems.

[scarface22]

wait don't drink on what
don't drink water?
i thought water was good...

[Mammon]

wait don't drink on what
don't drink water?
i thought water was good...

oh WTF.... alcohol man alcohol.... lmao

water.... lolol

[Immortal Soldier]

I am suprised no one has asked about your stats?

Age?
Height?
Weight?
Bf%?


Also I doubt you will gain 25-30lbs, people think dbol puts on "mass" but without testosterone alot of those gains aren't stable and a good share of them are bloating/water weight because dbol converts highly into estrogen.

So dbol only cycle are just not recommended because the gains + liver toxicity are just not worth it compared to cycles. There are better oral cycles out there then dbol only.

Hell I would run Superdrol before I ran dbol because at least SD gains are stable, very little water retention, strength increase, and fat loss.

[scarface22]

oh WTF.... alcohol man alcohol.... lmao

water.... lolol

ok that makes much more sense lol

my stats:

age:18
height:5'9
weight: 157
BF: i think around 13% or so

i know I can naturally gain the muscle by eating more and adding more protein but oh well and I know I won't gain 25 pounds and if I do half of that will disappear but I am expecting some gains at least 20 pounds and keep at least 10 from that

[Mammon]

imo your a bit young to be considering this step..
id spend the next couple years getting the diet and training down.. during that time id continue to research. when the time comes you will have a solid base and the knowledge to do this right.

thats going to go in one ear and out the other isnt it.... lol

[BIG_TRUCK]

You will lose all your cycle gains.

Even if you took testosterone.

Your to young, to small, and do not know how to train naturally.

You will not know how to keep the weight from the dbol , or any other steroid for that matter.

Train natural for a few more years. Gain some size. Learn how to eat right and grow.

Then research steroids.

[scarface22]

imo your a bit young to be considering this step..
id spend the next couple years getting the diet and training down.. during that time id continue to research. when the time comes you will have a solid base and the knowledge to do this right.

thats going to go in one ear and out the other isnt it.... lol

unfortunately yeah it will lol I've been researching for over a year
and I started my cycle a week ago so I can't just stop it now...

[BIG_TRUCK]

unfortunately yeah it will lol I've been researching for over a year
and I started my cycle a week ago so I can't just stop it now...

Be prepared to blow up 15lbs of water , gain some decent strength , then lose it all after you discontinue.

I'm not saying this because you are taking dbol. Even though many confuse muscle gains from orals to some how not being able to keep them when compared to injections. Muscle is muscle, no matter how it is obtained.

You will lose your gains because of lack of training knowledge.

[scarface22]

I don't think I have a lack of training knowledge and I will be on an aggressive pct

[Immortal Soldier]

ok that makes much more sense lol

my stats:

age:18
height:5'9
weight: 157
BF: i think around 13% or so

i know I can naturally gain the muscle by eating more and adding more protein but oh well and I know I won't gain 25 pounds and if I do half of that will disappear but I am expecting some gains at least 20 pounds and keep at least 10 from that

You see guys, this is why you ask for ****ing stats before you give out advice.

The kid is 157lbs at 5'9 and only 18 years old.

Listen stop thinking your going to gain at least 20lbs or whatever ridiculous number you decide to put in your head. You need to understand what you are about to do is going to do more harm than good.

First of all the structure of dbol makes it highly suceptible to bloating and water gains, you realize why you will only keep less than half of those gains? Because most of it is water so when you get off the water will naturally leave as estrogen gets lowered.

Dbol only cycle produce minimal lasting gains, not tell me for 10lbs you are willing to sacrifice lowering your natural test levels, because even with PCT there is a good chance you could shock your HPTA and it might not fully recover test levels to what they were before.

Bro, trust me I have been there, I was a 6'0 134lb pound kid in high school, let that sink 134lbs, I was depressed and never thought I could gain weight or pack on muscle. One day I had enough of my sob story, so I signed up at a gym and just ate a **** ton of food, you cannot believe how much food I would eat everyday and trying to keep it as healthy as possible, I would eat till I wanted throw up.

4 months later I weighed in at 174lbs, everyone thought I took steroids and yet I never touched a supplement besides protein and rumors spread and I maintained my body and kept going at it and learned even more about lifting and dieting and kept advancing.

Not only are dbol only cycles not recommended, steroids in general are not recommend before 25 years of age (at least 21). I mean do you honestly want to be 5'9 for the rest of your life? It's a great possibility because what makes growth plates close is high estrogen not the steroid itself, so taking a compound like Dbol that converts highly could very well put your growth plates at risk of closure.

Your choice, currently I am 6'1 and if I was in your position I wouldn't give up 4+ years of growth in exchange for 10lbs of muscle. You have all the time in the world to get bigger, you only have certain time frame to get taller and grow hormonally.

[Dizz28]

unfortunately yeah it will lol I've been researching for over a year
and I started my cycle a week ago so I can't just stop it now...

sure you can, simply stop taking the pills and it will be clear out of your system in 24hours. No harm

[fresh31]

ok that makes much more sense lol

my stats:

age:18
height:5'9
weight: 157
BF: i think around 13% or so

i know I can naturally gain the muscle by eating more and adding more protein but oh well and I know I won't gain 25 pounds and if I do half of that will disappear but I am expecting some gains at least 20 pounds and keep at least 10 from that

How long have you been lifting? at you're weight it would seem as if you have very little muscle which leads me to believe you don't or haven't been working out very long... 157 is very light for your height... and at that high of a body fat I'd stick with the older dudes on this one, work on your diet and training...

[sigman roid]

Dont come over to the dark side wait awhile i trained 10 years naturally before i did my first cycle.

[scarface22]

You see guys, this is why you ask for ****ing stats before you give out advice.

The kid is 157lbs at 5'9 and only 18 years old.

Listen stop thinking your going to gain at least 20lbs or whatever ridiculous number you decide to put in your head. You need to understand what you are about to do is going to do more harm than good.

First of all the structure of dbol makes it highly suceptible to bloating and water gains, you realize why you will only keep less than half of those gains? Because most of it is water so when you get off the water will naturally leave as estrogen gets lowered.

Dbol only cycle produce minimal lasting gains, not tell me for 10lbs you are willing to sacrifice lowering your natural test levels, because even with PCT there is a good chance you could shock your HPTA and it might not fully recover test levels to what they were before.

Bro, trust me I have been there, I was a 6'0 134lb pound kid in high school, let that sink 134lbs, I was depressed and never thought I could gain weight or pack on muscle. One day I had enough of my sob story, so I signed up at a gym and just ate a **** ton of food, you cannot believe how much food I would eat everyday and trying to keep it as healthy as possible, I would eat till I wanted throw up.

4 months later I weighed in at 174lbs, everyone thought I took steroids and yet I never touched a supplement besides protein and rumors spread and I maintained my body and kept going at it and learned even more about lifting and dieting and kept advancing.

Not only are dbol only cycles not recommended, steroids in general are not recommend before 25 years of age (at least 21). I mean do you honestly want to be 5'9 for the rest of your life? It's a great possibility because what makes growth plates close is high estrogen not the steroid itself, so taking a compound like Dbol that converts highly could very well put your growth plates at risk of closure.

Your choice, currently I am 6'1 and if I was in your position I wouldn't give up 4+ years of growth in exchange for 10lbs of muscle. You have all the time in the world to get bigger, you only have certain time frame to get taller and grow hormonally.

See I never thought it was that big of a deal I figured with the PCT it would all be back to normal, I've been lifting for 16 months, i went from 116 to 156 naturally in 14 months then hit a plateau, now my question is, how do I get off the d-bol, its been almost a week, if I just stop taking it, will there actually be no harm done to me??

[Immortal Soldier]

See I never thought it was that big of a deal I figured with the PCT it would all be back to normal, I've been lifting for 16 months, i went from 116 to 156 naturally in 14 months then hit a plateau, now my question is, how do I get off the d-bol, its been almost a week, if I just stop taking it, will there actually be no harm done to me??

16 months is nothing, you hit one plateau and you decide that you can't grow anymore?

You must realize when you went from 116 to 156 that was because of n00b gains, your body never worked out before so it rapidly gained muscle however you plateau eventually because that is a bodies natural defense mechanism. You either need to change your training up or your diet to allow more growth, however you got to realize you aren't going to be gain ridiculous amounts of muscle in 2-3 years, if it was like that than anyone could become Arnold in 5 years, it takes time to add on masses of muscle. Steroids aren't the answer at your age because later down the road you will pay for selling your soul to the devil.

Get off the d-bol, and run nolva at 20mg everyday for 2 weeks (just to be safe) and you will be fine.

Stay away from steroids till your older and worked out for more than 4 years. The guys you see here are older some in there 30's so when they run a PCT they can most likely get back to their original hormonal levels, however, you are hormonally growing while they stopped along time ago, you are still in puberty they are not. So when hormonally you are growing and you take steroids it interferes with that process and can lead to deficient hormonal levels later on.

[scarface22]

I've hit plateaus before at 122 then at 135 i started eating more and switching the workouts
but at 155 nothing seems to work so I stopped working out for a month and started again and I know I don't expect to gain ridiculous amounts of muscle. I thought at age 18 most of your growing was done and you only grow a little after that...that's why I figured one or two cycles won't hurt

[Mammon]

still developing into your 20's

[fresh31]

might want to wait a couple more years. what are you eating?

[scarface22]

anything!
i try to eat as much as I can, I try not to eat to much sugary stuff
because I use to take a weight gainer shake and it gave me a gut didn't realize it has so much sugar
another question I have is, is it ok If I bulk up then take clen or anotehr fat burner steroid or does that also interfere with hormonal growth?

[BIG_TRUCK]

anything!
i try to eat as much as I can, I try not to eat to much sugary stuff
because I use to take a weight gainer shake and it gave me a gut didn't realize it has so much sugar
another question I have is, is it ok If I bulk up then take clen or anotehr fat burner steroid or does that also interfere with hormonal growth?

Worry about eating more and training more.

Forget the drugs.... All of them.

Your no where near ready.

[fresh31]

seems like you got to work on your diet... do you have something consistent that you eat? Or you just eat random meals through out the day.

[british bulldog 1]

dbol and sus 250..........what a stack !!!!

[scarface22]

I try to eat every hour and a half and drink lots of water
and I take at least one protein shake try to take two during the day
I try to get 3000 calories/day, I'm going to buy a low sugar weight gainer shake
The other two times I hit a plateau i increased workout intensity and kept gaining but this time its my diet lol

[Mammon]

id up those cals..