Take a look at this for first cycle.

[dazma190]

WEEK
1 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
2 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
3 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
4 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
5 Testosterone
6 Testosterone
7 Testosterone
8 Testosterone
9 Testosterone
10 Testosterone
11 Testosterone
12 Testosterone

Will be running Testosterone throughout the 12 weeks (Cypionate or Enanthate ) although not realy willing to inject. So is there other alternatives here and how much daily/weekly? My D bol will run just the 4 weeks probably at 20mg ed.

[Mammon]

age/stats/years training

whats the dose on the test

[dazma190]

age 24, height 5ft 11, been training since 20 but started taking it more serious since 22, so say 2 years. weight 162 pounds.

Not sure of test and dose thou? whot you think?

[FireGuy]

If you are not ready to inject are you planning on running androgel instead?

[seriousmass]

height 5ft 11, weight 162 pounds.

I see an issue.

[dazma190]

Well yes that would be an alternative. What you recommend on the dosage thou?

[dazma190]

I see an issue.

Whats the issue?

[FireGuy]

Actually, with your training, diet, bodyweight and experience I would not recommend anything other than food. Unless of course you have had bloodwork done and have naturally low test levels that require supplementation.

[dazma190]

So could a run a 4 week cycle of D bol 20 mg ed with the test?

[dazma190]

sorry i ment to say without the test,

[FireGuy]

At 5'11 and 162 lbs you are insuffecient in diet and/or training. Until you get that part dialed in there is no reason to go the AAS route. I know that's the last thing you want to hear but it's the cold hard truth.

[dazma190]

its no the last thing a want to hear maybe its exactly what i need to hear, cool. ok so need to look into my diet. Would it hurt taking the D bol? By the way helping me out alot here, spoke to many in a couldnt get answers a was looking for.

[seriousmass]

its no the last thing a want to hear maybe its exactly what i need to hear, cool. ok so need to look into my diet. Would it hurt taking the D bol? By the way helping me out alot here, spoke to many in a couldnt get answers a was looking for.

d-bol is still a steroid man.

you don't want to run d-bol on it's own either. IMO it must be run with test.

i'll tell you what, write down everything you eat today / tomorrow, keep a piece of paper / pen in your pocket all day if you have to, (or if you already know exactly what you eat & the macros) and then make a new thread in the diet forum. I'd be glad to go through it, and help set up a quality bulking diet.

[dazma190]

so as well as recording my diet over the next coming days, would it hurt to do the D Bol cycle with test for 4 weeks?

[Mammon]

hold off on the gear......

[FireGuy]

Test needs to be ran much longer than 4 weeks to have any effect, especially if you went the patch route. Do yourself a huge favor and put your D-Bol pills in storage for now. Focus on diet diet diet and training and you will have another quality 25 lbs on your frame in 2 years.

[dazma190]

cool, cool. so i will hold off on the D bol in al just eat in eat. sorry to be an pest by the way but wot would happen if you ran the d bol for 4 weeks without the test?

[Brown Ninja]

You would waste your money