1 month of training

[Trance_Hero]

So im 20 years old and all of my friends do juice. After doing a ton of research i decided im going to wate until i reach my mid 20's to do juice. I just started working out and training. I have a very strict diet and im training 6 days a week. The reason i come here is to ask what is the proper time to start experimenting with AAS.

Sorry i don't mean to rant but alot of my friends belive that juice is the only way you can gain..i know i haven't made alot of progress but oh well. thanks for listing guys!

[fresh31]

mid 20s sounds about right. hit the gym hard for a couple years get the most out of your body naturally but you can start doing your homework from now on so you'll know what you're messing with when the time comes.

[Trance_Hero]

Yeah i have been doing alot of research. I have to educate myself more on PCT, damnit though it is so tempting lol!!!

[BIG_TRUCK]

Your friends sound stupid.

And I would guess they are still far from being big themselves. If they think that way.

[Trance_Hero]

Yeah they aren't that big and they don't focus on diet or proper training...

[fresh31]

lol yea man, but it seems like you got a lot to go naturally

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

I am glad to hear you are waiting, that is VERY smart of you.

how is your training

what do you do those 6 days

[Trance_Hero]

Forsure! but i am seeing progress and its a great feeling ha ha! its bad though cause i have made a transition from just 4 weeks and people think im juicing =(

[BIG_TRUCK]

Yeah they aren't that big and they don't focus on diet or proper training...

thought so.

THis would really burn them up.

Research a good diet for your goals.

Research a good workout routine.

Learn what gets you big.

And pass your juiced up dumb friends while being a natty.

They will be asking what you are taking.... And reply, alot of food and hard work. They will be jealous and probably think you are lying.

Lots of people can get really good results without drugs if they go about things correctly.

[Trance_Hero]

Well i will tell you my diet and training regime
diet

Breakfast: 6 egg whites, 1/2 cup of oatmeal, table spout mixed flax
mid-morning: shake 23 g's protein, mill flax in the shake- fruit (half a banana)
lunch: chicken breast, cup of mixed veggies, half cup of cooked rice 12 g's of fish oil
mid afternoon: shake
supper: extra lean growned beef with 3 table spounds of salsa half cup of cooked rice veggies

Work Out

monday: chest/tri's
Tuesday: back/bi's (with hiit)
Wednesday: shoulders
Thursday: chest
Friday: cardio
saturday: shoulders
sunday: ill either take off or do some hiit

if you want me to go further into my training feel free to ask!!!

[Trance_Hero]

depending if i am up studying ill have another shake or a egg white omelet after dinner

[Mammon]

yeah wait a couple years.. get your diet and training down.. just with that you can make great gains.. keep doing the research.. when the time comes you will have the knowledge to do it right.. will blow right by those wingnuts

[UberSteroids]

I agree to what these guys say! I came here back in 2005 with the question "what steroids to take" I got flamed like no tomorrow hahah, but you have no idea how glad I am that I listened to these guys here and never took them back then. Chances are that after researching and reading posts in workout and diet sections, you will gain enough knowledge that you can use it to grow a lot and when you get there, you might even be happy with the changes you made naturally!

Take care!

[Hazard]

Now is the time for you to start experimenting with your diet and training. Try different things and see what kind of results you get. Learn about your body and what it responds to. Once you figure this out...... your gains will all the more better.

In the mean time - research on here continuously..... and when your ready to begin your aas journey, if you ever do, you'll already know how to optimize your nutrition and training to take full advantage of your 1st cycle.

good luck man

~Haz~

[Trance_Hero]

Yeah I know this is not the propper form but i made myself a little diet thingy

so i have to have 1500 calories daily...

600 calories of protein 25 g's or protein for 6 meals
600 calories of carbs 20 g's of carbs for 6 meals both complex and fiborus
the rest with healthy fats

i have

[T-MOS]

Well i will tell you my diet and training regime
diet

Breakfast: 6 egg whites, 1/2 cup of oatmeal, table spout mixed flax
mid-morning: shake 23 g's protein, mill flax in the shake- fruit (half a banana)
lunch: chicken breast, cup of mixed veggies, half cup of cooked rice 12 g's of fish oil
mid afternoon: shake
supper: extra lean growned beef with 3 table spounds of salsa half cup of cooked rice veggies

Work Out

monday: chest/tri's
Tuesday: back/bi's (with hiit)
Wednesday: shoulders
Thursday: chest
Friday: cardio
saturday: shoulders
sunday: ill either take off or do some hiit

if you want me to go further into my training feel free to ask!!!

OK, too much CHEST, not any LEGS ??????????????

Legs are your foundation, the stronger you make them, the stronger the rest of your body will become naturally

you need to give each body part enough rest for it to grow before you hit it again

Twice a week chest and shoulders can be counter productive !!

[T-MOS]

How tall are you?
How much do you weigh now?

doesn't seem like enough calories if you want to GROW !

also, replace one or two of those shakes with REAL WHOLE FOOD !!!!

[Trance_Hero]

OK, too much CHEST, not any LEGS ??????????????

Legs are your foundation, the stronger you make them, the stronger the rest of your body will become naturally

you need to give each body part enough rest for it to grow before you hit it again

Twice a week chest and shoulders can be counter productive !!

oh shit yes, i forgot i do do legs once a week.
sorry i messed up!!

[Trance_Hero]

How tall are you?
How much do you weigh now?

doesn't seem like enough calories if you want to GROW !

also, replace one or two of those shakes with REAL WHOLE FOOD !!!!

I was 190 before

now im 175 and im 5'8

[Mammon]

you dont want to be one of those guys with the chicken legs running around the gym do you..

[MJP]

Although it may seem counter-intuitive, you should take the advice of replacing the shakes with food, especially since you are trying to cut fat.
Making your body digest real food will cause your body to expend energy breaking that food down, and also increase your metabolism. Increasing your metabolism will also increase your appetite and your body will crave food for energy and get it out of the habit of storing food as fat.
Also agree on making sure you get legs worked out every week. They are some of the biggest muscles in your body and training them will stimulate muscle building throughout the body. (I know you said you do, just emphasizing)

Good luck man!

[SuperLift]

Well i will tell you my diet and training regime
diet

Breakfast: 6 egg whites, 1/2 cup of oatmeal, table spout mixed flax
mid-morning: shake 23 g's protein, mill flax in the shake- fruit (half a banana)
lunch: chicken breast, cup of mixed veggies, half cup of cooked rice 12 g's of fish oil
mid afternoon: shake
supper: extra lean growned beef with 3 table spounds of salsa half cup of cooked rice veggies

Work Out

monday: chest/tri's
Tuesday: back/bi's (with hiit)
Wednesday: shoulders
Thursday: chest
Friday: cardio
saturday: shoulders
sunday: ill either take off or do some hiit

if you want me to go further into my training feel free to ask!!!

Make sure you are Deadlifting on back day and Squatting on leg day.. very key to gaining weight in my personal experiences.

I myself neglected legs for almost 2 years. When my friends started making fun of my larger upper body and small legs I turned my training around.

I started Deadlifting and doing legs.. Heavy squats and leg press.. I gained atleast 10-15 lbs and added about 40-50 lbs on all my lifts very quickly.. All my friends thought I was on something hAHA.. Stick to it and hit those large muscle groups, eat and you will grow!

[Phate]

i think you should start a thread in the diet forum so we can get that working, or you can just continue this thread with it, your choice, here is what we need to start off with

this formula will give you your basal metabolic rate, which is basically a measure of the amount of calories your body would burn if you stayed in bed all day and did nothing

Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )



once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9

[Trance_Hero]

i calculated and it came up too 3042...maybe i screwed up on my calculations?

[Immortal Soldier]

i calculated and it came up too 3042...maybe i screwed up on my calculations?

If you think that number is high, during a good 3 week part of my cycle I was getting in 4,500-5,000 calories

[Trance_Hero]

If you think that number is high, during a good 3 week part of my cycle I was getting in 4,500-5,000 calories

haha holly shit your a monster!! what were ur stats?

[FallenWyvern]

3000 doesn't sound that far off.

[Hazard]

my calculation came out to 3400 lol and i try like hell to get around 4000......

~Haz~