Wondering what cycle would be best open to any info

[footballdude51]

Im new to anoblic steroids and am just learning now i was wondering what would be my best bet to taking for gaining speed and strength with not a huge amount of mass.


Thanks

[seriousmass]

read the stickeys.

[johnnybigguns]

What is your age/weight/height/bf%

[footballdude51]

19 6 foot 2 210 pounds 14% bf

[musclehead1983]

19 is too young. You have plenty of time to keep growing naturally. Don't screw up your growth by using AAS too early.

[sasman]

are you playing football now? is ncaa testing an issue?

[footballdude51]

i do but im canadian and they can only test 3 players a year mostly guys who put on extreme weight over off season

[footballdude51]

im looking into winstrol what are your opinons on that

[Dinosaur]

test e is the king of all cycles.

[sasman]

what position do you play guessing LB?
give me your numbers 40, vert....ect
what are your strengths and weaknesses
what are your goals?

give me as much info as possible, i will make you one bad boy on the field.

[footballdude51]

im an LB/TE im running around a 4.90 40 just getting back into testing tho vert is i dont have my number on its usually my strength for my size i can broad jump standing 9 foot 1 inch my strengths are pass rushing and catching my weaknesses are aggression a little but im sure anything i take will help me out somewhat there and pass coverage

[jamyjamjr]

you DONT need gear...

[sasman]

ok you hear all these guys saying you are to young. it's true 19 is too young. However you are playing football and you can only do that so long in your life. I played and it paid for my school. I had to start with gear too young and i wouldn't change it if i had it all over. you need to ask yourself how important football is to you and if this is going to be something that pays for your future in anyway. with that being said. god bless football its the greatest thing ever!!!!

ok looking at your numbers it looks like you need to work on explosion

test with

winny
masteron
promoviron
dbol
anavar

these are the compounds that you wanna look at.
now if there is no testing and it being in your system isn't a problem then our next thing to discuss is what you are capable of getting your hands on and how much you are trying to spend. let me know i will set something nice up for you

[footballdude51]

i was talking to a buddy of mine and i can get winny i dont really care about pricing id rather pay more and get legit stuff then pay budget and get ****ed up as for football paying a future if i dont have any debts from university thats enough there a free education

[sasman]

you said it brother. Ok Winny is great for off season conditioning program. I will say that it is hard on the joints. Are you planning to do one off season cycle? maybe..... a second one during the season? that will help determine when it is best to run the cycle. also you are going to want to add test with the winny for sure. many others like to add a third to the mix. do you have any cycle history at all? if not i would just stick to the winny and test or i would go with test and primo....

do you drink at all? if so can you hold off while your on the cycle? if not then i would go another route then winny b/c of its stress to the liver, and the liver being the organ that metabolizes alcohol.

so if you don't drink and this is going to be the only cycle you do.... you will want to start the cycle when your summer conditioning is in progress. you will want to do as much burst/sprint/and power conditioning as possible while being on a killer wieght lifting program as well.

[footballdude51]

no this will be my first cycle i can hold off on the drinking sence im a bouncer and we cant drink at work so ill be fine there. so what would be a good test to take with the winny

[jamyjamjr]

i cant say i condone any of this... BUT

do you have a pct set up??

while your at it, why dont you post a detailed diet and training routine up.. we'd love to see what we can tweak

[musclehead1983]

I'm not feeling this either. I don't think free school is worth screwing your body up. You only get one in life and no price to me is worth screwing it up. Just my opinion bro. No hard feelings. Just don't want to see someone hurt themselves that obviously has a healthy body to be playing college football. Please be careful bro.

[footballdude51]

yea man none offence taken im not doing it 100% i just didnt know much and figured better ask people who have actually experience from it

[Nicotine]

winny made my hands/knuckles and my knees hurt.

it's side effect is dry joints. some people suffer from it worse than i do.

you may take it, and find it hinders you BIG... but, you could also take winny, and find it gives you no side effects..

winny wont be as miraculous as you may think...on it's own, it's not a very strong anabolic at all. from what i have read/know to be true, it's like 1/4th to 1/3rd as anabolic as test (i MAY be wrong)...

to risk so much (if you get tested) for so little - to me, the benefit to risk just doesn't seem quite worth it. especially if you have potential scholarships to fund your education in the future..... if you lose that, how will it affect your life?

and, all for what? a LITTLE extra muscle and vascularity?....

at 19, you can grow and train and explode like madness! i wish i started this at your age... you are so fortunate.

find yourself a very intense program, find yourself the best trainer - and put your money towards hard work and good ethic.

best of luck!

[jamyjamjr]

^^^^ agreed...

there are alotta guys with excellent diet/training routine advice... all you gotta do is ask...

[footballdude51]

well hell then lets throw together a program guys im open to absoltuly any advice anyones willing to give me the time to type it if you think you can thrown together a great diet/training routine id love to see them. thanks for all the advice so far

[jamyjamjr]

alright then... let's get started.. u mind posting up a detailed diet for us???

[sasman]

I have a trainning program from one of the top D1 football schools in the world!!!! I played there and trainned with many pros that came back in the off season just to work with our trainner. eddie george/ Larry Fitz....ect so i gottcha covered there.

I really think you should go test and primo 10-14 weeks
pct
hcg (last two weeks of cycle)
aromasin
nolva
toremifene

sustain alpha
toco 8
endo amp

if money is not an object this is the way to go.... if your in we can work on dose and times

[tripmachine]

for starters.....

Part 1 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s...ar-pt1_extreme

Part 2 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s...ar-pt2_extreme

Part 3 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s...ar-pt3_extreme

Part 4 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s...ar-pt4_extreme

Part 5 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s...ar-pt5_extreme

Part 6 - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s...ar-pt6_extreme




Watch those videos, they changed my life and could change yours as well. I'm sure some others will chime in to help out with some training advice too.... you might want to go to the 'workout' section on this board for some training advice.... :]

[footballdude51]

definatly sasman i want that program forsure