Steroids, Cardio, Heart

**Kaoss22** · 03-25-2009, 10:55 AM

Let me just clarify and say i am on a mast, prop cycle. I love to do some cardio here and there but it dawned on me , is this safe? Your heart is a muscle as well so i am sure your heart gets bigger too. Does your heart get bigger and stay bigger? What are the ramifications on this?

**domeyeahaigh** · 03-25-2009, 12:46 PM

cool avatar

**domeyeahaigh** · 03-25-2009, 12:47 PM

Short answer yes, but cardio is good for your CARDIOVASCULAR system.

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-25-2009, 12:50 PM

yes you can run into issues. i would keep cardio down to minimum intensity because lifting weights is also good cardiovascular exercise. there is potential for left ventricle hypertrophy (LVH) which can lead to heart attack. has for how likely that is to occur, i would say not very for the average user, but my evidence is anecdotal.

**Nooomoto** · 03-25-2009, 12:52 PM

My doctor told me to chill out with the cardio while on cycle, as it can have adverse effects on the heart.

**Kaoss22** · 03-25-2009, 01:19 PM

Ok , then my question is what about sports they have rigorous intense training, and yes some of them are on cycle. I guess this could be more dangerous.

**laduem88** · 03-25-2009, 01:21 PM

what about low intensity cardio?

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-25-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by laduem88

what about low intensity cardio?

i recommend it. plus, its better for preserving muscle mass anyway.

**bnjf** · 03-25-2009, 03:27 PM

Muscle fibers break down when you work out.. then repair and get bigger. The heart is not effected by these workouts and steroids . But, the more muscle you get the more blood needs to get pumped and distributed. There has been natural and juiced bodybuilders with enlarged hearts. I would not worry about dropping dead on the treadmill.BTW Steroids have never been proven to be the reason some bodybuilders hearts are inlarged.

**Nooomoto** · 03-25-2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kaoss22

Ok , then my question is what about sports they have rigorous intense training, and yes some of them are on cycle. I guess this could be more dangerous.

LOL...I made the mistake of doing my first cycle in the beginning of rugby season. I went to practice and thought I was dying. Hardest running I ever did. I had to sit out the season until I was off cycle and got my cardio back up.

**Nooomoto** · 03-25-2009, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by bnjf

Muscle fibers break down when you work out.. then repair and get bigger. The heart is not effected by these workouts and steroids. But, the more muscle you get the more blood needs to get pumped and distributed. There has been natural and juiced bodybuilders with enlarged hearts. I would not worry about dropping dead on the treadmill.BTW Steroids have never been proven to be the reason some bodybuilders hearts are inlarged.

Can you point to some sort of study, or evidence to back up what you're saying?

**murphylee** · 03-25-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

LOL...I made the mistake of doing my first cycle in the beginning of rugby season. I went to practice and thought I was dying. Hardest running I ever did. I had to sit out the season until I was off cycle and got my cardio back up.

haha yeah man that happened to me too, right after the winter break so you know everyone wasn't in tip-top shape. I suffered through it though. Worst part was getting tackeled and landing on my arse when it was sore after a shot. OWW

**bnjf** · 03-25-2009, 04:19 PM

Pretty common knowledge on how muscles grow. If you are referring to the heart muscle, I read it somewhere. I'll try to find it. Makes sense to me. If you're talking about the enlargement of the heart difinitively linked to steroid use , find me a study to prove it.

**Someguy123** · 03-25-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by bnjf

Pretty common knowledge on how muscles grow. If you are referring to the heart muscle, I read it somewhere. I'll try to find it. Makes sense to me. If you're talking about the enlargement of the heart difinitively linked to heart enlargement, find my a study to prove it.

common knowledge?? anything ive ever read, said that scientists dont exactly know what causes muscles to grow. they just know that your muscles will adapt. and the muscle damage and rebuild is just a theory. but maybe theres been new studies??

**RoidBoid** · 03-25-2009, 04:28 PM

so are you sayin this cycle im gonna run will feck my cardio ... test e nd tbol????

**bnjf** · 03-25-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Someguy123

common knowledge?? anything ive ever read, said that scientists dont exactly know what causes muscles to grow. they just know that your muscles will adapt. and the muscle damage and rebuild is just a theory. but maybe theres been new studies??

Hahaaa. Well I guess you got me. That's what seems to make the most sense anyway. sheesh

**Nooomoto** · 03-25-2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by RoidBoid

so are you sayin this cycle im gonna run will feck my cardio ... test e nd tbol????

According to my doctor, yes.

**The Deuce** · 03-25-2009, 06:32 PM

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS CORRECT...

That if you use AAS appropriately and not abuse them then there is no adverse HEALTH or HEART risks... I know plenty of people who Do cardio while on cycle. Its a necessity... especially when doing a cut cycle.

I will be doing an HOUR of Cardio per day near the end of my cycle.. currently doing 1 hour of cardio 4 days per week. AND IF THERE WAS A RISK OF HEART ATTACK FROM THIS TRUST ME ... I WOULD NOT BE DOING IT !!

I am not in the business of trying to put myself in an early grave.

Catch my drift??

SO DO CARDIO !! IT WILL NOT KILL YOU !! IN FACT... In all actuality it will probably EXTEND your life.

JUST MY OPINION !!

**The Deuce** · 03-25-2009, 06:52 PM

And I mean think about it... People get put on TRT all the time and the DOCS don't tell them... OH NOW THAT YOU ARE ON THIS MAKE SURE YOU DONT DO ANY CARDIO !! I know my Doc didn't tell me that... I think this whole HEART thing and Steroids is just a myth... BUT if there is TRUTH to it.. I would rather not know.

**honda450** · 03-25-2009, 07:03 PM

Yeah I trip balls daily about heart probs, dunno why just bad anxiety. Wish this test would kick in soon though. :P

**The Deuce** · 03-25-2009, 07:09 PM

I have horrible Anxiety !! But with my Prescription of Valium I am able to make it through the day... BUT !! THE ODD THING IS !!! WHEN i am on AAS my Anxiety is sooo much less and I don't have Panic attacks nearly any anymore... It's great !! I don't know if it's the TEST that just puts me in a better MINDSET altogether or What but... I dunno...

Don't worry... Your Heart is FINE !! and Do Cardio Bro !! You won't have a Heart attack !! This much I can almost guarantee !!

**Spartan ^** · 03-25-2009, 07:15 PM

You also have to look at HDL levels (good cholesterol) while on cycle. This is often overlooked. For instance, HDL levels need to be in a range of 36-41. While on cycle HDL levels drop due to the added amount of red blood cells. If HDL levels get low, you run a greater risk of LDL (bad cholesterol) skyrocketing. That being said, unhealthy cholesterol levels lead to heart problems. The main ways to keep HDL levels normal are to intake plenty of ***** 3's and good cardio. As I've been told by my sports doc, cardio 30-45 minutes 2 or 3 times a week will not be too much to stop gains but will be just enough to keep HDL levels in the target range providing you keep cardio sessions above at target heart rate.

Oh yeah and my wife is a scientist and she says the same thing...and anyone who has a wife knows they are NEVER wrong! LOL

**The Deuce** · 03-25-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Spartan ^

You also have to look at HDL levels (good cholesterol) while on cycle. This is often overlooked. For instance, HDL levels need to be in a range of 36-41. While on cycle HDL levels drop due to the added amount of red blood cells. If HDL levels get low, you run a greater risk of LDL (bad cholesterol) skyrocketing. That being said, unhealthy cholesterol levels lead to heart problems. The main ways to keep HDL levels normal are to intake plenty of ***** 3's and good cardio. As I've been told by my sports doc, cardio 30-45 minutes 2 or 3 times a week will not be too much to stop gains but will be just enough to keep HDL levels in the target range providing you keep cardio sessions above at target heart rate.

Oh yeah and my wife is a scientist and she says the same thing...and anyone who has a wife knows they are NEVER wrong! LOL

LMAO !!! I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING !!!

YAH and that is definitely 100% ACCURATE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID !! I LOVE IT!! I DONT THINK ANYONE COULD HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER THAN THAT!!

I TAKE O M E G A 3'S regularly ... like everyday !! On cycle and Off... One of the BEST things for your heart !! Actually I take SUPER O M E G A ... And Cardio is now a very important implantation into my Training whilst on this cycle !!

I know MY HEART is good to go !!

**hankdiesel** · 03-25-2009, 07:34 PM

I've never had problems doing cardio on cycle. I might get a little winded on tren but that's it.

**beachrugger8** · 03-25-2009, 07:39 PM

I play rugby and am about to start a test E and dbol cycle. Our season is over but i'm trying out for an all star type team? bad idea? My crdio is good now, will it just drop off?

**Spartan ^** · 03-25-2009, 07:49 PM

Its not a bad idea if you dont get busted by testing. What are your leagues restrictions and testing policies? Always good to know first so you can weigh the benefits/consequences. As far as your cardio, it wont drop off unless you quit it altogether or decrease it significantly. Keep up the cardio up. Good luck on the All Star tryout....

**beachrugger8** · 03-25-2009, 08:03 PM

yeah no testing, its collegiate. in the US its club not ncaa so no restrictions. Good to hear. I've read that aas increase rbc count which seems to me could actually help with cardio due to more 02 uptake. I know that the 20pounds gained will be more weight to carry

**Spartan ^** · 03-25-2009, 08:24 PM

Agreed. If you keep the cardio up your body will adapt while gaining so it wont actually feel like your carrying more weight. At least it doesnt for me. And yes AAS does increase RBC but the increased RBC might make you tired as hell. (it does me, at least thats what i chaulk it up to) It will help with the O2 in the bloodstream as well. I say go for it...just my opinion.

**Someguy123** · 03-26-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by beachrugger8

I play rugby and am about to start a test E and dbol cycle. Our season is over but i'm trying out for an all star type team? bad idea? My crdio is good now, will it just drop off?

yes it will affect your cardio. when im on cycle, i keep up my cardio as normal. 4-5 times a week. but after a couple weeks in. there is no way, i can do windsprints anymore. im forced to stick with a steady jog. and when im at fight practice, i feel like im dead. just cant keep wind in my lungs.

anyone who tells you that AAS wont hurt your cardio, must not do REAL cardio. they just do brisk walks on the treadmill or something. garunteed, anyone who runs hills, or anything else very taxing on the cardiovascular system. will feel the drop off.

**RoidBoid** · 03-26-2009, 11:24 AM

i hope it doesent, from people ive spoken to they said that goin on test will help with cardio, ur endurance should go up becuase of your red blood cells, cardio is my job, so if it will hamper that dramatically then i will have to sell my cycle which im jst getting ready to start

**inky-e** · 03-26-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kaoss22

Let me just clarify and say i am on a mast, prop cycle. I love to do some cardio here and there but it dawned on me , is this safe? Your heart is a muscle as well so i am sure your heart gets bigger too. Does your heart get bigger and stay bigger? What are the ramifications on this?

A few weeks ago I had some tests done and showed I have an enlarged heart....it can be caused by many reasons...steroids ...alcohol and drug abuse...and many athletes have it from years of strenuous exercising...or so it was explained to me.

**RoidBoid** · 03-26-2009, 11:40 AM

god this thread gets me head ****d lol

**Akrobatik** · 03-26-2009, 12:20 PM

People that play sports have bigger hearts. Soon as you stop playing sports or running your heart starts to shrink to normal size.

I wouldt worry. Think about all the track athletes that do juice.

**bmit** · 03-26-2009, 12:42 PM

The only steroid i have seen hurt my cardio is tren . Test/deca seem to improve it (if accounting for the weight gain)

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-26-2009, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by bnjf

Pretty common knowledge on how muscles grow. If you are referring to the heart muscle, I read it somewhere. I'll try to find it. Makes sense to me. If you're talking about the enlargement of the heart difinitively linked to steroid use, find me a study to prove it.

ok, i did:
Sports specific adaptation and differentiation of the athletes heart
http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=...=viewport&pg=1

Serious cardiovascular side effects of large doses of anabolic steroids in weight lifters
http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/...act/17/10/1576

etc etc etc. gotta go or id sit here and pull up studies all day.

**MuscleScience** · 03-26-2009, 02:43 PM

You cant say the word "prove" in science. I can prove anything with one obscure paper here or there. One has to look at the body of evidence and form a working hypothesis based on the current state of the literature. You can say this "There is compelling evidence to suggest that," but never can you say prove.

**Hazard** · 03-26-2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Spartan ^

and anyone who has a wife knows they are NEVER wrong! LOL

Oh boy..... aint that the truth!

~Haz~

**RoidBoid** · 04-03-2009, 03:15 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2802881.stm

**Someguy123** · 04-03-2009, 07:57 AM

i think tghe key words in that article, are "Heart Disease". when you have heart complications, that is part of your DNA. steroids will speed up the process at which genetic defects pronounce themselves. But i havent seen any evidence, that steroids will CAUSE these problems.

perfect example is balding. if you are prone to go bald in your older years, steroids will make it happen right away. but if you arent prone to balding. steroids never have an effect on your hair.

**SilverTest** · 04-03-2009, 09:42 AM

ok wow wow wow , wtf ? jesus everybody z gone mad around this thread .

first - the heart is a muscle yes , but NOT a skeletal muscle , which actually grows

when you train it , unlike the heart .

second- weightlifters have larger hearts whether natural or juiced , and this kind

of hypertrophy is insignificant clinically.

third- steroids help the heart , not damage it , especially testosterone , makes your

heart stronger , dilate your arteries , is anti-artherosclerotic , prevents plaque etc..

fourth- there is no health effects on the heart with steroids , unless you are using MASSIVE (and i mean MASSIVE) dosages

in regards to water retention which raise your BP and stuff.

its VERY easy to just point to steroids when u use them for just about any health issues.

one more thing : for gods sake stop listening to those doctors.

my 2 cents

peace

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