Moving to the darkside..

[Augustus]

So i have made the decision and i want to make sure i have everything covered.

1st cycle
(typical)
test only (hopefully prop)
500mg/week
nolva and clomid..

current stats:
5'11''
185lbs 11%bf
25yo
4 yrs training 1.5 serious

I'm not going to start for about a month (it will take me that long to get everything) I want to make sure i have enough of everything before I start (aas, pct, and needles). as far as needle sizes should i plan on getting 1in & 1.5? how much will i benefit from delt injections? i will be doing this by myself and are pretty nervous. I dont think i will have a problem in the glut, but just thinking of delt injections makes me queezy. anyway i just want to make sure i have everything covered. am i missing anything?
thanks

[CHUCKYthentic]

welcome!

just curious, why hopefully prop?

[Augustus]

welcome!

just curious, why hopefully prop?

well after my research (considerable) it seemed the best... am i wrong? im open to suggestions and appreciate insight, thats why i decided to register here.. i have a few friends (college athletes) that cycle, all winny and have no idea what pct is.. so im not asking/including them in this, so any direction/info is welcome!
thanks

[lord henry]

you do know prop needs to be injected every day or every other day min?

can you handle all these shots 1st time around?

prop can be very painfull for some.

[Matt]

With test e/c you will only need to inject twice aweek..

[CHUCKYthentic]

thats a good choice, dont ask your friends if they dont know what pct is LOL

well the thing with prop in your case is that it is going to require more frequent pinning ED or EOD

so a long ester test would be favorable just for that reason

IMO id go test enanthate or cyp @500mg/week 2 injects of 250mg/week

whats your plan for pct?

[Augustus]

you do know prop needs to be injected every day or every other day min?

can you handle all these shots 1st time around?

prop can be very painfull for some.

yea, i was planning eod. i dont think pain will be a problem, although i have never done this. i thought about test e or c, as they do require less frequent injections, however my contention is if i can handle two a week, whats three?

[CHUCKYthentic]

i prefer ED shots of test p

correct me if im wrong fellas, but with test p, you ll have a higher risk of getting test flu. i personally only got it off prop

i wouldnt suggest prop for a 1st timer just for this reason, BUT everyone is different

[Augustus]

thats a good choice, dont ask your friends if they dont know what pct is LOL

well the thing with prop in your case is that it is going to require more frequent pinning ED or EOD

so a long ester test would be favorable just for that reason

IMO id go test enanthate or cyp @500mg/week 2 injects of 250mg/week

whats your plan for pct?

week 11-12 clomid 150/d
week 13-14 clomid 50/d
week 15-16 nolva 40/d
week 17-18 nolva 20/d

[lord henry]

yea, i was planning eod. i dont think pain will be a problem, although i have never done this. i thought about test e or c, as they do require less frequent injections, however my contention is if i can handle two a week, whats three?

bud prop pain can cripple some people and with you being a virgin its likely that it will cripple you too.

go with test e or c

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e/c per week split into 2 shots (250mgs mon and 250mgs thurs)

you dont want to be doing prop 1st time around .

[illwillogical]

I wouldn't think prop would be any different than any other test for test flu? Maybe it could be since it gets your levels up quicker than a long ester.

[CHUCKYthentic]

ya def the virgin injection factor too

pct doesnt look good

plan on having an AI on hand?

[Augustus]

i prefer ED shots of test p

correct me if im wrong fellas, but with test p, you ll have a higher risk of getting test flu. i personally only got it off prop

i wouldnt suggest prop for a 1st timer just for this reason, BUT everyone is different

i was not aware of this. i would obviously like to minimize risk/problems.

[CHUCKYthentic]

I wouldn't think prop would be any different than any other test for test flu? Maybe it could be since it gets your levels up quicker than a long ester.

like i said, it only happened with me and everyone is diff

im aware test flu can occur with any test

Im gonna man up next cycle and run prop

[CHUCKYthentic]

i was not aware of this. i would obviously like to minimize risk/problems.

what i said is beside the point, test flu can happen with any test, that was jus a coincidence for me with prop

1ST timer, test e or test c hands down bud

[lord henry]

test flu is nothing to worry about ,thats if you get it,its just your body ajusting to the hormone.

can hapen with any test ,the most common i read about is -sust flu -

[Augustus]

ya def the virgin injection factor too

pct doesnt look good

plan on having an AI on hand?

whats wrong with it? as far as ai, i am waiting to hear from my friend to see what he has on hand or rather what he can get. like i said i am trying to gather everything (in full quantities) before my first injection..

[lord henry]

24ml test e/c (250mg/ml)

nolva/clomid

pins

dont use ai 1st time around you may not need it,if you see gyno probs you can use nolva and then you know to use an ai on 2nd cycle

thats all you need

[CHUCKYthentic]

If he does have gyno probs tho, then he should use an AI in his pct, aromasin or adex

[lord henry]

disagree^^^ nolva will do just fine.

[diesel094]

im on test p now and i love it. 100mg/ml EOD. suprisingly my favorite spot is the thighs. it is the least painful going in and the actual injection of aas. mayb a day later i feel some soreness in there but i find that pinning the delts and glutes bring a lot more soreness imo...

[CHUCKYthentic]

well we re gonna have to agree to disagree here LOL

nolva will just stop the gyno from binding to the receptor, it will not wipe it out (gyno)

an AI in pct will

[diesel094]

oh and i use 23g pins at 1"

[Augustus]

I did not read about AI's first time around.. i dont mind holding off until i can get some if necessary. i would rather not cycle if gyno is going to be probable.

which brings me to another question. everywhere i read it always says "prevention is the best cure" as far a gyno goes. does that mean if i take all the necessary steps it will not be a problem. nobody ever addresses it in that manner, well at least not in the places i have been reading..

[CHUCKYthentic]

i worded that horribly

an AI will wipe out estrogen, not gyno

[Augustus]

im on test p now and i love it. 100mg/ml EOD. suprisingly my favorite spot is the thighs. it is the least painful going in and the actual injection of aas. mayb a day later i feel some soreness in there but i find that pinning the delts and glutes bring a lot more soreness imo...

first cycle?

[CHUCKYthentic]

its not a bad idea to have an AI on hand

if you start to get excess bloat you can use it, and if not i like to see it in pct

[Augustus]

i worded that horribly

an AI will wipe out estrogen, not gyno

i was wondering. i thought that gyno was irreversible, only surgically removable.

[CHUCKYthentic]

there have been studies shown to reverse gyno with letrozole, but IMO id rather just eliminate that possibility

like i said, disregard that post i worded it horribly

[lord henry]

well we re gonna have to agree to disagree here LOL

nolva will just stop the gyno from binding to the receptor, it will not wipe it out (gyno)

an AI in pct will

wipe it out ? do you mean reverse gyno ??

if so your wrong -

letro is for gyno reveralse.

right if he starts to feel gyno comeing on he can start nolva at 20mgs ed untill the feelin has gone then he can use 10mgs right up to pct with no further probs imo.

[CHUCKYthentic]

here is my proposed cycle to you:

week 1-12 test e or c at 500mg/week split into two 250mg shots/week 3.5 days apart

pct: (to start 10-12 days after last test injection depending on ester)
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
AI, lets say adex .25mg EOD all the way through pct

[CHUCKYthentic]

wipe it out ? do you mean reverse gyno ??

if so your wrong -

letro is for gyno reveralse.

right if he starts to feel gyno comeing on he can start nolva at 20mgs ed untill the feelin has gone then he can use 10mgs right up to pct with no further probs imo.

LOL ya i know i said that completely wrong, i corrected myself in a later post

[Augustus]

here is my proposed cycle to you:

week 1-12 test e or c at 500mg/week split into two 250mg shots/week 3.5 days apart

pct: (to start 10-12 days after last test injection depending on ester)
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
AI, lets say adex .25mg EOD all the way through pct

will including the adex eliminate any possibilities of gyno?

[lord henry]

gyno will be seen in the 1st few weeks of cycle imo and not in pct ,adding adex to pct to prevent gyno is useless.

[CHUCKYthentic]

adex will be your choice bro

like henry said, 1st timer you re not necessarily sure if you can be gyno prone

u can run adex precautionary during your cycle, if you do, then you dont need it in your pct

[Augustus]

gyno will be seen in the 1st few weeks of cycle imo and not in pct ,adding adex to pct to prevent gyno is useless.

i read his post wrong, thinking he meant eod of the cycle, not pct.

[CHUCKYthentic]

alight let me straighten this out again

i am not saying Adex will cure gyno!

it will keep estro levels DOWN! therefore eliminating the possibility of gyno

adex in pct will wipe out excess estrogen!

will all due respect bro, read all my posts

[lord henry]

ok so if he runs adex thuout his whole cycle from start to finish how the hell will he know if he is gyno prone?

what am sayig is if he starts to see/feel gyno he can use nolva to combat it 1st time around then run adex on future cycles.

useing adex on 1st cycle from start to finish there is no way he will know if he is prone and will more or likely run it in evey cycle without knowing,if he is not prone he willbe wasteing alot of $$$$

[oak2429]

goodluck with cycle. im gonna do a similar one but im gonna do test cyp at 400mg a week shot once a week and nolva and clomid for pct

[CHUCKYthentic]

ya for sure that makes sense

thats why i am sayin for precautionary reasons, IF he wants to