Why no Dbol first cycle?

[Batman360]

I see alot of people recomending not to use Dbol on someones first cycle and to only use test. Whats the reason behind this?

[its ian]

i plan on test and dbol for my first cycle, based on all i've read

[Big]

I see alot of people recomending not to use Dbol on someones first cycle and to only use test. Whats the reason behind this?

if someone starts with more than one compound on their first cycle, then has an adverse reaction, they might not know which compound caused it. If we start with test only, see how we respond, then second cycle add a second compound, etc, it makes it easier to know how each compound affects us.

[murphylee]

It's usually because for the first time around, you're not sure how your body will react to AAS, so only using one compound at a time really allows you to judge the side effects and where they are stemming from.

Also, it's not necessary. 500mg/week of Test E is all someone really needs first time around (with proper diet and training) to see siginificant results.

Do you have a proper PCT set up Ian?

[murphylee]

Beat me to it Big!

[KingJames23]

Ive heard to use 250 because if you use 500 you risk sagging.

[Big]

Ive heard to use 250 because if you use 500 you risk sagging.

sagging what?

[its ian]

It's usually because for the first time around, you're not sure how your body will react to AAS, so only using one compound at a time really allows you to judge the side effects and where they are stemming from.

Also, it's not necessary. 500mg/week of Test E is all someone really needs first time around (with proper diet and training) to see siginificant results.

Do you have a proper PCT set up Ian?

no, i'm nowhere near starting a cycle yet. i will definately set one up though. Also, will just cycling with test stunt shoulder width?

[Big]

no, i'm nowhere near starting a cycle yet. i will definately set one up though. Also, will just cycling with test stunt shoulder width?

please stop asking this question all over the board, you have an open thread.

[T-MOS]

no, i'm nowhere near starting a cycle yet. i will definately set one up though. Also, will just cycling with test stunt shoulder width?

How old are you?

[its ian]

please stop asking this question all over the board, you have an open thread.

nope, the only one i asked that on is closed

[Big]

How old are you?

he says he's 19, he still has an open thread, I closed one of them...

[its ian]

How old are you?

nineteen

[Big]

nope, the only one i asked that on is closed

I closed it because it's the same topic of your open thread, and now you're several posts deep into hijacking this guy's thread. go back to your first thread and ask your question.

[its ian]

I closed it because it's the same topic of your open thread, and now you're several posts deep into hijacking this guy's thread. go back to your first thread and ask your question.

alright

[skinnykenney]

if someone starts with more than one compound on their first cycle, then has an adverse reaction, they might not know which compound caused it. If we start with test only, see how we respond, then second cycle add a second compound, etc, it makes it easier to know how each compound affects us.

bingo....Big hit this right on the head.

[skinnykenney]

you seem like you are pretty young.
don't do AAS until you have met your genetic peak and IMO 23 years old at least!
the shoulder question tells us that you are too young to be doing this and that you are probably younger than you state.

[bluesman]

Full disclosure: Never done AAS, for the record.

It would also stand to reason, that maybe the test is all you would ever need to meet your goals, (didn't see them listed). Perhaps you get as big as a tree on test, and are 100% satisfied. Since you have never done either, as was stated, you can better guage how you do on test, then move towards another. That way, if you want to stack more stuff, you can either experiement with lower dosages of test if it was not "all that" for you, or jack up the test more (if it "rocked") and nibble on other stuff when you want to push to another level...

As with all drugs (this I do know what I am talking about), your goal should always be to take the very least amount that does exactly what you are intending to treat/fix/benefit from ... If your goal is 20 lb of muscle, and it will take you say 500mg of test e to get it in 12 weeks, there is no reason in the world to take double that for example. You are wasting your time and money, exposing yourself to unwanted side effects unnecessarily, and complicating things that can be simple. We call it the "Lowest observable effective dose"..

To put it in a way that I use every day, if a client reports to the ER with a splinter in his finger, and has pain that is a 4/10, we might be inclined to give him/her some tylenol, rather than just giving them morphine sulphate.. Yeah, the morphine will make your splinter in your finger stop hurting, but is it really worth 2 days constipation, respiratory depression, and being whacked out/drowsy/under the influence for 6 hours for a splinter?