Please help me with this cycle

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 03:53 PM

Hello all I'm new. I'm thinking about starting a cycle I've never done before and I need help. Dont really know who to ask. I've been on Growth for about 14 months. Durring this time I have ran winny and Clen , but that was last Summer.
My body weight has droped from 265 to around 225 to 230. Im pretty big 6'1, and have no idea of my body fat percentage. I'm still on about 3ius of growth a day. My diet is so so. I've been doing alot of cardio and heavy lifting for about the last 6 weeks. I've been working out weights and cardio for the last 3 to 4 years. I have always had fatty gyno that no matter how small or in shape I get its there. I want to trim off more fat and seem to have hit a wall with strength.
This is what I want to do and need help on how long when to incorporate etc..

Order 2 bottles of 10ml sust 250 ------ How much? Never taken any kind of Test

Anavar 10mg ---- How much and when durring cycle?
Will stay on my growtn everyday

Thanks guys and let me know what you think. Like I said I'm pretty big. I have muscle but ready for something new.

**Mammon** · 03-28-2009, 03:57 PM

age?

sounds like you need to get the diet in check and step up the cardio..

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:00 PM

Im 34. I also need some pct advice. Thanks. Ive been on the cardio pretty hard for a year or more. Diet is come and go. On this cycle it will be good.

**hankdiesel** · 03-28-2009, 04:05 PM

Figure the diet out first. A pct of clomid/nolvadex always works well for me.

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:10 PM

Ive got a good one planned. I'm eatting every 2 hours lots of protein and vegtables. Not many carbs.

***T-MOS*** · 03-28-2009, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sooner54

Im 34. I also need some pct advice. Thanks. Ive been on the cardio pretty hard for a year or more. Diet is come and go. On this cycle it will be good.

Welcome to AR

congrats on the weight loss thus far

BUT, if you want results, you can't be SO SO with your diet, as that is 80% of this whole thing with or without steroids

I am guessing you didn't see much results from your winny cycle???

Sust, isn't the best choice of test for you, so if you didn't order yet, DON"T

sust needs to be injected EOD every other day

I would go with a long ester Test E or Test Cyp which only needs injected once every 3.5 days

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:14 PM

I mean Ive been lifting pretty hard for the last 4 years.

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

Welcome to AR

congrats on the weight loss thus far

BUT, if you want results, you can't be SO SO with your diet, as that is 80% of this whole thing with or without steroids

I am guessing you didn't see much results from your winny cycle???

Sust, isn't the best choice of test for you, so if you didn't order yet, DON"T

sust needs to be injected EOD every other day

I would go with a long ester Test E or Test Cyp which only needs injected once every 3.5 days

I havent orderd yet. I was told Sust only needed to be taken like twice a week. I guess I was told wrong. Thats why I'm posting lol.

I saw a little from my winny dried up more. I have more stomach fat than anything.
Thanks for helping. What is a good diet plan to help out getting ripped up? Anywhere I can go look at on these boards.

**Mammon** · 03-28-2009, 04:18 PM

you can get away with twice a week.. but the optimal way to run it and take full advantage of the short esters would be ed/eod.

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:20 PM

What kind of needle? I guess into the ass like the winny?

***T-MOS*** · 03-28-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sooner54

What kind of needle? I guess into the ass like the winny?

23g 1.5 inch for glute shots

the other thing with sust, is it has 4 esters releasing test at 4 different times. makes it a little harder to keep blood levels stable so it COULD cause more sides

better to deal with just ONE ester then 4 JMHO

**Mammon** · 03-28-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Sooner54

What is a good diet plan to help out getting ripped up? Anywhere I can go look at on these boards.

the diet forum..

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:30 PM

What about the anavar ? When should I take it? and how much? they a re 10 mg. Should I start them the first week?

Also how long should I run the Sust? Thanks for your help man.

**Mammon** · 03-28-2009, 04:38 PM

if your gonna do it.. id hold off for a bit and get everything in check and drop some BF,, anyway...

test 10-12 weeks.

var id run 40-60mg ed..

sust 1-12
var 8-15

jump right on pct..

id run 100mg clomid 20mg nolvadex ed for 30 days.
id also run an AI through the cycle or atleast have nolvadex on hand incase any problems should arise.

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:39 PM

Whats the difference with Test e or Test cyp as opposed to the SUST? Do they give you much different results?

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

if your gonna do it.. id hold off for a bit and get everything in check and drop some BF,, anyway...

test 10-12 weeks.

var id run 40-60mg ed..

sust 1-12
var 8-15

jump right on pct..

id run 100mg clomid 20mg nolvadex ed for 30 days.
id also run an AI through the cycle or atleast have nolvadex on hand incase any problems should arise.

So no Anavar untill week 8? Week 16 hop on pct? What is an AI that you would run through the cycle? And when?

Again, Thanks so much!

***T-MOS*** · 03-28-2009, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sooner54

Whats the difference with Test e or Test cyp as opposed to the SUST? Do they give you much different results?

Test is Test !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the ONLY difference is the Ester. the ester is what holds the test in suspension and determines the release time in your body

Test Enanthate and Test Cypionate are Very Identical

Sustanon has 4 different esters, both short and long so it releases test at different times in your body

The results should be similar, some notice more or less sides with one or the other, just depends on personal experience

**Mammon** · 03-28-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sooner54

What is an AI that you would run through the cycle? And when?

Again, Thanks so much!

pct forum.. SERM /AI definition by luvmuhroids.. will explain it.

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 04:55 PM

Will 2 10 ml bottles last long enough a two shots a week for 10 weeks? How much should I run and should I stair step the levels?

***T-MOS*** · 03-28-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sooner54

Will 2 10 ml bottles last long enough a two shots a week for 10 weeks? How much should I run and should I stair step the levels?

we can't tell you this without knowing the concentration of the compounds

Example. Test E 250 mgs/ml
Test E 300 mgs/ml

10 ml of 250 will just barely give you 10 shots @ 250/shot since you may lose a little bit in needle or if not accurately filled vial

make sense?? I always get an extra vial just in case

**Sooner54** · 03-28-2009, 10:01 PM

Thanks for all your help guys.

**Sooner54** · 04-01-2009, 03:29 PM

Damn source went down! ARGH!!!

**Sooner54** · 04-10-2009, 03:55 PM

About to order. Should I stay away from Sus and just go with a regular test? I'm not looking to bulk up too much. So, I thought Sust would be better am I wrong?