100% newbie...

**Jtaylor33** · 03-29-2009, 10:45 AM

So I am extreamly new to doing any kinda drug, never even smoked weed. About a month ago I started using HGH and Trenbalone.

My stats are
6-2, 245 when i started with a 24% body fat.

I started working out on a regular basis Dec 1st with a trainer. It was him that mentioned HGH (he does bodybuilding contest) and as we talked about it I asked about me doing it. He said go for it. So I got the stuff thru him and he started me on the HGH and Trenbalone. He said I needed the Tren to basically activate the HGH. I am taking the HGH daily at 1 iu in the morning and I was doing the Tren once every third day. I would inject Mon morning at the same time with the HGH and then take tues wed off and then inject thurs morning again with the HGH. I finished the Tren and now I am on Winstrol . Now I am Doing 1C twice a week of that. So my current usage is HGH everyday of 1iu everyday and Winstrol 1c on mon and thurs.

I guess Im just wanting some second opinions on what I am taking and make sure im not F'ing myself up longterm. I assume I am not taking large amounts therefore not doing to much damage. Im not trying to become a body builder, just trying to get in better shape. I have decressed my body fat % I think things are headed in the right direction.

Well any input is much appreciated and Ill continue to check out the site and see what else I can learn on my own. Thanks everyone.

**NATE0406** · 03-29-2009, 10:49 AM

there is so much wrong with this entire statement. bro fire your trainer he is an dumbass.

**Jtaylor33** · 03-29-2009, 10:51 AM

k, well whats wrong then nate?

**NATE0406** · 03-29-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Jtaylor33

So I am extreamly new to doing any kinda drug, never even smoked weed. About a month ago I started using HGH and Trenbalone.

My stats are
6-2, 245 when i started with a 24% body fat.

I started working out on a regular basis Dec 1st with a trainer. It was him that mentioned HGH (he does bodybuilding contest) and as we talked about it I asked about me doing it. He said go for it. So I got the stuff thru him and he started me on the HGH and Trenbalone. He said I needed the Tren to basically activate the HGH. prolly the dumbest thing i have ever heard. one has nothing to do with the other.I am taking the HGH daily at 1 iu in the morning thats a pretty low dose to see anything.and I was doing the Tren once every third day. I would inject Mon morning at the same time with the HGH and then take tues wed off and then inject thurs morning again with the HGH. I finished the Tren and now I am on Winstrol . Now I am Doing 1C twice a week of that. So my current usage is HGH everyday of 1iu everyday and Winstrol 1c on mon and thurs. winstrol needs to be taken every day.
I guess Im just wanting some second opinions on what I am taking and make sure im not F'ing myself up longterm. I assume I am not taking large amounts therefore not doing to much damage. Im not trying to become a body builder, just trying to get in better shape. I have decressed my body fat % I think things are headed in the right direction.

Well any input is much appreciated and Ill continue to check out the site and see what else I can learn on my own. Thanks everyone.

most important than all this is that you have no test in your cycle. hgh and tren are not newbie drugs.

**Big** · 03-29-2009, 10:56 AM

fire your trainer a.s.a.p.

***D7M*** · 03-29-2009, 10:56 AM

yah....soo much wrong here.

1. you don't need HGH at your bf.

2. Tren should not be taken without test

3. definitely fire your "trainer"

**NATE0406** · 03-29-2009, 10:56 AM

do you have tren a or tren e? do you know what your tren and winny are dosed at? do you have a pct set up? how old are you?

**Jtaylor33** · 03-29-2009, 11:03 AM

Well i am done with the tren . only took 1 vile of that. Like i said he said it was to activate the hgh. The winny he said was a cutter. I am taking 2C's a week. Took my first winny this last thursday. My age is 30. I have not done test. And I do not know if the trenbalone was an A or an E!

**NATE0406** · 03-29-2009, 11:08 AM

first off tren has nothing to do with the hgh. it doesnt activate anything except the shutdown of your natty test. bro the best advice i could give you is stop everything that you are doing. you are not using any of the drugs correctly bro. you need to find a new trainer and you also need to stick around here and read up on all these chems and learn how to use them. you need get over to the pct forum and learn how to come off these chems. good luck bro

**NATE0406** · 03-29-2009, 11:12 AM

here bro read all these links that phate has set up
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

**Jtaylor33** · 03-29-2009, 11:12 AM

Nate, I really appreciate your input. I am trying to learn thus the reason I am here. My question is why are these bad for me? Im not arguing that they are bad for me...seems like the people that have responded seem to all think the same thing. Now I want to learn why its bad for me?

**Jtaylor33** · 03-29-2009, 11:18 AM

thanks for the link. reading now.

**NATE0406** · 03-29-2009, 11:18 AM

bro the poblem is that you are taking these drugs completely wrong. tren should be ran with test. no exceptions. you also need to find out if its tren a or e. tren a needs to be ran at least eod not twice a week. if it is tren e then twice a week is fine if you are taking test. now winny needs to be ran every day for no more than 4-5 weeks along with test as well. if you do not use test in your cycles your body will not have any test in it. you will shut down. PCT or post cycle theropy is used to regain your natty test production after your cylce is over. you need to be more concerned about pct then anything else right now.

**Akrobatik** · 03-29-2009, 11:28 AM

Your trainder knows nothing about drugs and fails at his occupation as well.

First thing I noticed is that you have high % BF. The first thing you need to work on is cardio and eating right. You should go see a nutritionist to help you with your diet (or you can post your diet here and we can help you out).

You should also know that HGH is a VERY serious drug man. You need to get your blood checked regularly because it could really **** you up.

**Nicotine** · 03-29-2009, 11:59 AM

to me, it sounds like your trainer is more interested in getting money from you - rather than give you the PROPER tools needed to maintain your health and get fit.

honestly, for the sake of your health - do a proper pct (post cycle therapy ). get yourself a proper well rounded diet that's geared to your goals, and find yourself a PROFESSIONAL trainer, who isn't going to push drugs on you to make a profit.....

it may sound harsh - but - no one on here who is saying you're heading down the wrong path, is attacking you. most people on here genuinely have your best interest in mind...which is more than we can say about your trainer at this point.

for your health and safety, please find yourself someone who isn't gonna jam you full of drugs.... and at this point, i wonder how good his training program for you is set up?

**hellapimpin** · 03-29-2009, 12:06 PM

its amazing how many times i've read a new guys post stating his trainer put him on dbol only, winny only cycles..
With all the easy access to info, articles..etc..this type of knowledge is wide spread nowerdays.. i don't get how a "personal trainer" would give out some really bad advice.

**big_C** · 03-29-2009, 12:11 PM

Bro...let me tell you that your "personal trainer" is a idiot. Is he a certified trainer....giving that crappy advice to take your money and probaly harm you?? Tren alone....never!! Is it E or A....Tren to "activate" HGH??? WOW....he is a moron. Prob some gear he had left over on hand and offed it on you to get a quick buck.I'm a ACE certified Personal Trainer and I take my job very seriously. I would never deal juice to my clients...sure the topic has come up....and thats where it ends. He's breaking all the morals of training and giving you bogus advice. Stick around here and learn all you can before you use any AS!!

***T-MOS*** · 03-29-2009, 12:13 PM

Do NOT listen to these guys about your trainer...he should NOT be fired................

HE SHOULD BE FREAKIN STRUNG UP AND SHOT IN THE NUTS !!! cause that is pretty much what he did to you !!!!!!!.....THEN you can FIRE him !!!

As stated winny and Tren are NOT what you need right now.

DO you have any idea of what your bodyfat % is now?

Winny is used ONLY when your bodyfat is already below 10% anything higher than that , and you will not see much if any gains from it.

Tren is one of the harshest steroids out there on your body, and as stated should NEVER be run by itself

You a$$......I mean Trainer has NO clue how these compounds work !!

They BOTH will shut down your natural testosterone production !! which can cause you many other problems you don't want like NO energy, NO libido (sex drive) and NO erections.

It is a shame you didn't find this site before starting this crap.

as stated, stop all AAS and start a PCT to get you back to normal levels,

Post up your daily food intake here so we can help you with that and then we can go from there !!!

**honda450** · 03-29-2009, 12:22 PM

Your trainer has downsyndrome.

**Kookahdoo** · 03-29-2009, 12:23 PM

I'm just wondering if he even offered PCT.

**c-Z** · 03-29-2009, 12:25 PM

These comments are hilarious......

BUT TRUE sadly to say.... +1 on getting rid of the trainer.

PCT whats that? You don't need that...... COUGH COUGH......

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-29-2009, 12:28 PM

What are your stats now?

Just curious...

**c-Z** · 03-29-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

What are your stats now?

Just curious...

Whos stats?

**JiGGaMaN** · 03-29-2009, 03:45 PM

the trainer, is he died yet?

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-29-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by chevrolet02z28

Whos stats?

The OP's

**c-Z** · 03-29-2009, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

the trainer, is he died yet?

*dead....

LOL.... Maybe they both are we aren't getting any responses.

**british bulldog 1** · 03-29-2009, 04:33 PM

get a new trainer bro and do some research before u put drugs in your body !!!!

**hellapimpin** · 03-29-2009, 07:47 PM

what a trip...you said F the 4play and swung for the fences! :O ... hope your taking our advice on this

**Jtaylor33** · 03-30-2009, 08:13 AM

I am definatly taking this seriously. That is why I got on here to get advice and see what I should be doing. Im listening to everything people are saying. Im looking into a PCT right now...thinking nova. as for the guy that asked my stats. i am at a 19% bf now but back at 243. had gone down on scale for a bit but then gone back up.

I agree my diet needs to change significantly and im working on that. I am def doing a whole lot better than I was before I ever started working out.

thanks for your time everyone.

**rec_rat** · 03-30-2009, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

there is so much wrong with this entire statement. bro fire your trainer he is an dumbass.

+1
Jez man your trainers gonna hurt you

**murphylee** · 03-30-2009, 09:00 AM

You know I really can't believe that some people out there would:

1. Take advantage of someone who clearly looks up to them and is often, at times, desperate to change their lifestyle

2. Be willing to risk someone's short-term AND long-term health to make a few bucks...I know we're in a recession but COME ON

3. Blindly take advice from someone without asking around and doing the proper research before hand..

good luck to you bro

**Immortal Soldier** · 03-30-2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jtaylor33

I am definatly taking this seriously. That is why I got on here to get advice and see what I should be doing. Im listening to everything people are saying. Im looking into a PCT right now...thinking nova. as for the guy that asked my stats. i am at a 19% bf now but back at 243. had gone down on scale for a bit but then gone back up.

I agree my diet needs to change significantly and im working on that. I am def doing a whole lot better than I was before I ever started working out.

thanks for your time everyone.

Do you realize your trainer ****ed you over big time?

Tren every 3 days? Please tell me it was Tren E and not Ace. No test? Winstrol added? HGH?

You also know why people here are angry? Is because you just "jumped" on steroids thinking it was some miracle drug and you didn't want to do the work to at least build somewhat of a natural solid base.

How do you think it looks when some people train 5 years before they touch a cycle, and then you listen to a trainer who doesn't care about your health and jump on when you have just begun to workout?

**Kookahdoo** · 03-30-2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

Do you realize your trainer ****ed you over big time?

Tren every 3 days? Please tell me it was Tren E and not Ace. No test? Winstrol added? HGH?

You also know why people here are angry? Is because you just "jumped" on steroids thinking it was some miracle drug and you didn't want to do the work to at least build somewhat of a natural solid base.

How do you think it looks when some people train 5 years before they touch a cycle, and then you listen to a trainer who doesn't care about your health and jump on when you have just begun to workout?

In his defense, I think he was seriously mislead.

**Jtaylor33** · 03-30-2009, 01:21 PM

I am not trying to say i did things the right way. That is part why I got on here. I didnt know anything about roids. I didnt intend doing this long term. What originally started as a convo about hgh (again something i knew nothing about) turned into this other stuff. Yes I assumed he knew what he was doing and took his word. I started working out with him 3 days a week starting dec 1st. The work outs were great. I loved he pushed me, supported me and really worked me hard. The original topic was hgh and I did just a lil reading on that. When I told him I wanted to try it he told me i needed the AS to activate. That I did not look into or check up on that. I told him I didnt want to do the AS long term and he said one vile of the tren and one of the winstrol was all and then do the noladex or novadex or what ever. I admit I was very stupid and did not handle this the right way. Im not trying to get ripped or become a body builder. Just wanted to get in better shape and feel better over all. I really appreciate all the comments tho guys.

**wingsta** · 03-31-2009, 12:00 AM

Hey Jtaylor im really sorry to hear that bro being a close friend of many personal trainers myself it seriously saddens me to see this. Majority of my friends that work as trainers don't know squat about steroids but at least they don't advise any of their clients on how to use them.

Having said that I think what has really been missed here is you were at 24% body fat and you have pointed out you do not want to be ripped or a bodybuilder but just get in better shape overall.

You DO NOT need steroids to do this, you need a good program, diet, cardio, and some dedication. If you go to the diet and training section on this forum it will help you immensely. You certainly don't need AAS to get into better shape my friend.

Having said that I understand the close bond people have with a trainer but there goes that age old saying don't trust the guy trying to sell you the stuff lol.

I really hope you get off the AAS without any bad sides and get into proper training. Cause lets face it steroids or not most of us are here to not only look better but to be healthier and fitter also

. Hope your well