Advice and Arguement Regarding First cycle (test Prop)

[lovex]

Hii
After reading of lot threads ...I got a idea ...and want to discuss with u..and want some advice.

what wrong in Starting with test prop as first cycle.

I gone write advantages and disadvantages

Advantages

1. Cycle will be short.

2. One fast recover natural test.

3. less sides

Disadvantages

1. Injecting ED or EOD.

other than this I dont see any disadvantages.

AS test is test.

I really ask advice of every body (especially Big, T-mos, Immortal Soldier,
johnnybigguns, Dizz28....) as for others pls dont think not to reply as I didnt mentioned your names..iam sorry i cant remember everyone names.


PLS feel free and advice.

[honda450]

Alot of people just don't have proper injecting procedure when they first start so they lean towards Test E or Test C for less injections/less sites. In the long run, Test is Test pretty much, your goals are going to come from your diet and training regime.

[lovex]

Alot of people just don't have proper injecting procedure when they first start so they lean towards Test E or Test C for less injections/less sites. In the long run, Test is Test pretty much, your goals are going to come from your diet and training regime.

exactly bro ....
Diet is more than 70% in a cycle.

but my arguemnt was smaller the cycle better recovery of natural test.
So u mean only because of injections people tend towards test c or e.

thanks for reply:-)

[romo6]

Recovery is same as long ester,you can just start your pct sooner.

[lovex]

Recovery is same as long ester,you can just start your pct sooner.

ofc man ...
1. your cycle wont be 12~13 week long at most 8~10 weeks
2. In test E or C u will start PCT 2 weeks after last injection where in test PROP u will start 3 days after last injection.
3. In test E case it will almost 20~21 WEEKS (cycle +PCT) where as in test PROP it takes 12~13WEEKS (cycle+PCT).

there is a big difference in natural test recovery between testE & test PROP.

[LATS60]

Hii
After reading of lot threads ...I got a idea ...and want to discuss with u..and want some advice.

what wrong in Starting with test prop as first cycle.

I gone write advantages and disadvantages

Advantages

1. Cycle will be short.

2. One fast recover natural test.

3. less sides

Disadvantages

1. Injecting ED or EOD.

other than this I dont see any disadvantages.

AS test is test.

I really ask advice of every body (especially Big, T-mos, Immortal Soldier,
johnnybigguns, Dizz28....) as for others pls dont think not to reply as I didnt mentioned your names..iam sorry i cant remember everyone names.


PLS feel free and advice.

Nothing wrong with starting test prop for a 1st cycle, certainly will get you're injection technique sorted pretty quick, so if you are confident on injection protocol then there's nothing to stop you.

Lets get a few things straight though.

The cycle doesn't have to be shorter.
Recovery will not be faster.
You won't get less sides.
So unless you don't want top pin so often....... sorted.

[LATS60]

ofc man ...
1. your cycle wont be 12~13 week long at most 8~10 weeks
2. In test E or C u will start PCT 2 weeks after last injection where in test PROP u will start 3 days after last injection.
3. In test E case it will almost 20~21 WEEKS (cycle +PCT) where as in test PROP it takes 12~13WEEKS (cycle+PCT).

there is a big difference in natural test recovery between testE & test PROP.

LOLOL, esters don't affect recovery rates mate.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lovex]

LOLOL, esters don't affect recovery rates mate.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes ofc.
I was specifying Easter ..my point was all anout timeperiod of cycle ...as test is test
but longer the cycle it take more time for natural test to recovery.

[Immortal Soldier]

Hii
After reading of lot threads ...I got a idea ...and want to discuss with u..and want some advice.

what wrong in Starting with test prop as first cycle.

I gone write advantages and disadvantages

Advantages

1. Cycle will be short.

2. One fast recover natural test.

3. less sides

Disadvantages

1. Injecting ED or EOD.

other than this I dont see any disadvantages.

AS test is test.

I really ask advice of every body (especially Big, T-mos, Immortal Soldier,
johnnybigguns, Dizz28....) as for others pls dont think not to reply as I didnt mentioned your names..iam sorry i cant remember everyone names.


PLS feel free and advice.

What do you mean by "cycle will be short"?

[lovex]

Nothing wrong with starting test prop for a 1st cycle, certainly will get you're injection technique sorted pretty quick, so if you are confident on injection protocol then there's nothing to stop you.

Lets get a few things straight though.

The cycle doesn't have to be shorter.
Recovery will not be faster.
You won't get less sides.
So unless you don't want top pin so often....... sorted.

I read test prop has lesser sides than test E or C.
in case of testE or C it will take 4th ~6 th week to kick (depending upon the person).
where as in the case of test PROP it takes 2th~3rd th week to kick ( so naturally u dont need a long cycle 8~10 weeks shoudl be efficent).

[lovex]

What do you mean by "cycle will be short"?

hii bro,

I mean time period of cycle in case of test prop. (approx 8~10 weeks).

[Immortal Soldier]

hii bro,

I mean time period of cycle in case of test prop. (approx 8~10 weeks).

Alright, well if I were you I would go with Test-e for 12 weeks, sure it takes longer to kick in, but for a first cycle I still gained 20lbs off it.

I mean, having to pin ED sucks monkey balls, trust me I have to do that now for Tren A.

In the end its your choice, either way if you ran test prop or test-e at the same dosage you would make about the same gains just the test-e would take a little bit longer.

[lovex]

Alright, well if I were you I would go with Test-e for 12 weeks, sure it takes longer to kick in, but for a first cycle I still gained 20lbs off it.

I mean, having to pin ED sucks monkey balls, trust me I have to do that now for Tren A.

In the end its your choice, either way if you ran test prop or test-e at the same dosage you would make about the same gains just the test-e would take a little bit longer.

bro I agree with u ...
as I already mentioned there will tremendous pain ..but other side cycle is short.
Iam not even thinking right now to start a cycle bro may be after 6 months. what is there wrong in asking advice :-)

thanks

[LATS60]

yes ofc.
I was specifying Easter ..my point was all anout timeperiod of cycle ...as test is test
but longer the cycle it take more time for natural test to recovery.

Well of course the shorter the cycle the faster the recovery time, but thats not what you said, anyways iv'e pointed out the facts to you in my first post it's up to you wether you belive the facts or not.

[seriousmass]

What's going on LoveX,

alright, well just run the prop if you want. A lot of people like to run prop because often it keeps often the water retention / bloat, that is associated with test-e / cyp. Nevertheless, this is your first cycle, so in any case your face is going to blow up like a ballon from the prop.

it doesn't matter about recovery. test is test. gotta keep that rule of thumb in mind. (the only time this rule is altered is when we are talking about prolonged cycles (4 months or more) because at a young age people are often able to restore their natural test production a bit easier from a long cycle then an older person would.

hope that clarifies your questions.

[lovex]

Well of course the shorter the cycle the faster the recovery time, but thats not what you said, anyways iv'e pointed out the facts to you in my first post it's up to you wether you belive the facts or not.

thank a lot bro,
i fully agree with u ....

I got a question
is it true test prop has lesser sides than test e.....

So unless you don't want top pin so often....... sorted.
bro, u mean number of times injection taken in a week or total amount AAS u put in your body.

[Immortal Soldier]

bro I agree with u ...
as I already mentioned there will tremendous pain ..but other side cycle is short.
Iam not even thinking right now to start a cycle bro may be after 6 months. what is there wrong in asking advice :-)

thanks

Nope nothing wrong in asking advice.

As for "tremendous pain", its more of a nuisance rather than a pain (unless you start injecting in the same sites over and over).

[seriousmass]

1.) prop has the exact same sides. (except for the water retention one I mentioned just above this post... but it won't apply)

2.) he means more injections. you're still using the same amount of test. ~500mg each week. (just break it up.. so maybe 75mg each day x 7 days = 525mg.

[lovex]

What's going on LoveX,

alright, well just run the prop if you want. A lot of people like to run prop because often it keeps often the water retention / bloat, that is associated with test-e / cyp. Nevertheless, this is your first cycle, so in any case your face is going to blow up like a ballon from the prop.

it doesn't matter about recovery. test is test. gotta keep that rule of thumb in mind. (the only time this rule is altered is when we are talking about prolonged cycles (4 months or more) because at a young age people are often able to restore their natural test production a bit easier from a long cycle then an older person would.

hope that clarifies your questions.

hii seriousmass....whats up.
point is finishing the cycle with PCT. there is a difference of 8 ~10 weeks between test e & test Prop...for this Iam making all this argue ment arguement

[lovex]

Nope nothing wrong in asking advice.

As for "tremendous pain", its more of a nuisance rather than a pain (unless you start injecting in the same sites over and over).

thanks bro,
I agree bro ..it will be tremendous nuisance :-(

[LATS60]

thank a lot bro,
i fully agree with u ....

I got a question
is it true test prop has lesser sides than test e.....

So unless you don't want top pin so often....... sorted.
bro, u mean number of times injection taken in a week or total amount AAS u put in your body.

No prop has the same sides and TBH i have never had less bloat off prop than any other test.

Nothing to do with the amount, just the frequency of injections, if you don't mind that then go prop, but you will not experience less sides, so if thats you're only reason for using it then go with a long ester.

[seriousmass]

hii seriousmass....whats up.
point is finishing the cycle with PCT. there is a difference of 8 ~10 weeks between test e & test Prop...for this Iam making all this argue ment arguement

Nothing man. Just having a nice rest day. lol... got mad calc to study for tomorrow. pretty lame..

Oh.. I understand your argument now. IMO, don't worry about it, I know there is a difference of approx 8 weeks between recover from prop / enan... but in any case you will restore your natty production.

[lovex]

No prop has the same sides and TBH i have never had less bloat off prop than any other test.

Nothing to do with the amount, just the frequency of injections, if you don't mind that then go prop, but you will not experience less sides, so if thats you're only reason for using it then go with a long ester.

I got 2 questions

1st question .....
in the case of test prop cycle the total amount of test pumping in our body 8~10 weeks .. 8*500= 4000mg
in the case of test Eor C cycle the total amount of test pumping in our body 12~13 weeks .. 12*500= 6000mg

it is not better to pump less amount in to your body ..so that we can have less sides or it really wont matter a big way.

2nd Question
8~10 weeks to prop
will give almost similar results( taken in consideration good diet and trainging)
to that of 12 ~13 weeks of test e.

[lovex]

Nothing man. Just having a nice rest day. lol... got mad calc to study for tomorrow. pretty lame..

Oh.. I understand your argument now. IMO, don't worry about it, I know there is a difference of approx 8 weeks between recover from prop / enan... but in any case you will restore your natty production.

thanks seriousmass,
yeah man ..it is first cycle ..i want to make as much less stress possible to the body...and it is so great that in this forum we so many great people who r giving so much of good advice :-) Iam so thankful to them :-)

[seriousmass]

I got 2 questions

1st question .....
in the case of test prop cycle the total amount of test pumping in our body 8~10 weeks .. 8*500= 4000mg
in the case of test Eor C cycle the total amount of test pumping in our body 12~13 weeks .. 12*500= 6000mg

YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS THE WRONG WAY. YOU HAVE TO REVIEW YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF ESTERS / HALF-LIVES. YOU WILL BE PUTTING ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AMOUNT INTO YOUR BODY FROM THE TWO CYCLES. THIS IS BECAUSE TEST-ENAN TAKES 4 WEEKS TO BUILD UP IN YOUR BLOOD STREAM. WHEREAS, PROP BEGINS TO BUILD UP IN THE BLOOD STREAM WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK OF INJECTIONS.

it is not better to pump less amount in to your body ..so that we can have less sides or it really wont matter a big way.

2nd Question
8~10 weeks to prop
will give almost similar results( taken in consideration good diet and trainging)
to that of 12 ~13 weeks of test e.

RESULTS SHOULD BE RELATIVE SIMILAR.. TEST IS STILL TEST. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU BURST CYCLE WITH PROP AND STACK IT WITH OTHER COMPOUNDS, WHICH IS CONDUCIVE TO QUICK MUSCLE GROWTH.

answers are in bold.

[lovex]

answers are in bold.

thanks bro....now i understood :-)

correct me if iam wrong ....

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU BURST CYCLE WITH PROP

is it same in the case with test E also.

really apprreciated your reply.

[Immortal Soldier]

I got 2 questions

1st question .....
in the case of test prop cycle the total amount of test pumping in our body 8~10 weeks .. 8*500= 4000mg
in the case of test Eor C cycle the total amount of test pumping in our body 12~13 weeks .. 12*500= 6000mg

it is not better to pump less amount in to your body ..so that we can have less sides or it really wont matter a big way.

2nd Question
8~10 weeks to prop
will give almost similar results( taken in consideration good diet and trainging)
to that of 12 ~13 weeks of test e.

1) Half-lifes throw that method of thinking out the window.

2) It depends, 10 weeks of prop will give similar results as a 12 week cycle of Test-e. But 8 weeks of prop may not give you the same results as a 12 week cycle of test-e because your running one compound a month more then the other.


IMO it seems that you are too concerned about the next cycle you want to do this cycle and have the least amount of wait time till you can cycle again. Once you start thinking like that it becomes counterproductive. Focus on one cycle at a time.

[lovex]

1) Half-lifes throw that method of thinking out the window.

2) It depends, 10 weeks of prop will give similar results as a 12 week cycle of Test-e. But 8 weeks of prop may not give you the same results as a 12 week cycle of test-e because your running one compound a month more then the other.


IMO it seems that you are too concerned about the next cycle you want to do this cycle and have the least amount of wait time till you can cycle again. Once you start thinking like that it becomes counterproductive. Focus on one cycle at a time.

thanks bro,
really appreciated....

[T-MOS]

There ARE pros and cons for using Prop

I guarantee that the pain from ED injections on VIRGIN muscle will not outway any cons of using Test E or C

Yes you can run a shorter cycle, but your PCT will still be the same length and dose as if you did Test E or C
You can start PCT 3 days after Prop instead of 14 or 18

I think that being a FIRST cycle, you are best to go with Test E or C if not only just to see how your body will react to the injections

Your sides and results won't differ much at all, so go with the longer ester

Once you see how your body reacts, then the next cycle you can try prop only if you want

JMHO

[lovex]

There ARE pros and cons for using Prop

I guarantee that the pain from ED injections on VIRGIN muscle will not outway any cons of using Test E or C

Yes you can run a shorter cycle, but your PCT will still be the same length and dose as if you did Test E or C
You can start PCT 3 days after Prop instead of 14 or 18

I think that being a FIRST cycle, you are best to go with Test E or C if not only just to see how your body will react to the injections

Your sides and results won't differ much at all, so go with the longer ester

Once you see how your body reacts, then the next cycle you can try prop only if you want

JMHO

thanks a lot bro :-)

[JiGGaMaN]

thanks a lot bro :-)

you're welcome.

[Big]

I ran prop for my first cycle shot ed. I was ready to cycle and my guy at the time only had prop on hand, was still a great cycle. I would have gone with e or c, but the selection was limited. If you're sure you can handle the ed shots, go for it. If it's questionable, go with a longer ester.