Have ED bad, suggestions?

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 08:14 PM

Running 175mg/test 2x week with .25mg a-dex eod.

Is it normal to have ED at this level? Anything I can do?

**Big** · 03-31-2009, 08:16 PM

sounds like it's not actually test. how far into the cycle are you and what ester test is it supposed to be?

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 08:20 PM

I'm in my fifth week. Never had ED before. It's Test-Enanthate .

The results have been awesome though, and no other sides except trouble sleeping at night.

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 08:31 PM

so you'v seen gains??

age
weight
height
bf

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 08:33 PM

I started at:

6'0 198 28yo 32W 45C 15%bf

Currently at:

6'0 208 32W 46C 17A 14%bf

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 08:37 PM

any noticable bloat??

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 08:39 PM

No, no bloat at all. Actually look more cut. Been eating very clean though.

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 08:50 PM

could I be running too much or not enough a-dex?

**Schmidty** · 03-31-2009, 08:55 PM

a dex wont do it, might b eq but proly deca .

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:03 PM

I'm not taking any deca .

**Schmidty** · 03-31-2009, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Justin332

I'm not taking any deca.

listen cat im gona break this down for u. U have gotn great gains but w u got IS NOT TEST if it was test u wouldnt be have this problem. any idiot w a ugl/btl can label deca or eq as test, its quite easy. rest assure im no sterring u wrong here u have gear but its not test. a dex is way t weak to keep u from getn ur dick up

**Mammon** · 03-31-2009, 09:12 PM

yeah someone got tren labeled as prop or some shit not to long ago.. now that wasnt to hard to tell ...lol
it can happen

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Schmidty

listen cat im gona break this down for u. U have gotn great gains but w u got IS NOT TEST if it was test u wouldnt be have this problem. any idiot w a ugl/btl can label deca or eq as test, its quite easy. rest assure im no sterring u wrong here u have gear but its not test. a dex is way t weak to keep u from getn ur dick up

Uhhhhhh, this is a pretty bold statement. Does anyone else think this as well?

**Mammon** · 03-31-2009, 09:16 PM

i doubt its the adex.. dose is low and thats not going to drive estrogen down ...

its a possibility bro..

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:20 PM

One thing I just recalled that I didn't mention. Propecia drives my sex drive down and I was taking it only eod but now that I'm on cycle I'm doing it ed. Could propecia be that strong on my sex drive? I would think that's the reason as opposed to someone relabeling a bottle of test.

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Justin332

Uhhhhhh, this is a pretty bold statement. Does anyone else think this as well?

that seems to make more sense then anything...

your ed doesn't seem estrogen related.. .25mg of a-dex usualy wont drop your estrogen levels down to cause ed on cycle....

you prob have bunk gear... sorry bud

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Justin332

One thing I just recalled that I didn't mention. Propecia drives my sex drive down and I was taking it only eod but now that I'm on cycle I'm doing it ed. Could propecia be that strong on my sex drive? I would think that's the reason as opposed to someone relabeling a bottle of test.

how much are you taking

propecia can EASILY be a cause.. dht is related to ed too

**Mammon** · 03-31-2009, 09:27 PM

propecia................should have mentioned that earlier...

One thing most people do not realize is that although testosterone is an active hormone, its primary function in some of the most vital areas of the body and the brain is as a prohormone. There are locations all over the CNS that are rich in 5 alpha-reductase, or aromatase, or both; in particular areas of the CNS that involve libido. It is in these areas that testosterone must first be converted to fully carry on its message.

5 alpha-reductase is found in high concentrations in various parts of the brain, particularly in the white matter. It is localized specifically in the myelin (outer fatty sheath of neurons). 5 alpha reductase (5-AR) converts testosterone into DHT, which is a much more potent androgen than testosterone. As a result, the androgenic signal of testosterone is "amplified" in 5-AR rich tissues. The significance of 5 alpha-reduction to the psychosexual actions of testosterone is made depressingly evident to many individuals that take finasteride (Proscar, Propecia) for prostate hypertrophy or male pattern baldness. In a considerable portion of these individuals, a loss of libido and sexual function is experienced as a side effect, this despite a slight increase in circulating testosterone.

Aromatase is the enzyme that catalyzes the conversion of androgens (androstenedione, testosterone) to estrogens. It also is found in certain areas of the brain in high concentration (often in conjunction with 5-alpha reductase), specifically in areas that are essential for the neuroendocrine control of gonadotropin secretion and sexual behavior. Androgens are well known to be essential to sexuality, but without the concomitant presence of estrogens, they are essentially without effect. Studies have demonstrated that the abolition of estrogen formation through the use of aromatase inhibitors, or resulting from a congenital aromatase defect, greatly reduces sexual desire and function despite the presence of normal or high androgen levels.

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by jamyjamjr

how much are you taking

propecia can EASILY be a cause.. dht is related to ed too

1mg day.

I'm pretty sure I don't have bunk gear, considering the weight gain, the way I look. The increased heart rate, and my attitude has gotten decidely sharper

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Justin332

1mg day.

I'm pretty sure I don't have bunk gear, considering the weight gain, the way I look. The increased heart rate, and my attitude has gotten decidely sharper

yea, that'll do it.....

try cutting back to .25mg eod

actualy, alotta guys will go .25-.5mg e3d as to not effect their dht levels too much and, in turn, hinder strength gains...

im doing .5mg e3d, working well for me...

**Mammon** · 03-31-2009, 09:31 PM

think we found the culprit... hard to figure things out without all the information brutha,, have us grasping at straws here...lol

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:31 PM

Thanks for the info Mammon.

So I basically have to pick horniness while on cycle or keeping my hair? Basically?

**AnimalGear** · 03-31-2009, 09:32 PM

I doubt a ugl would pay the price for eq or deca and label it as test..

got any stress lately that could be causing it?

i'm sure it will pass

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by jamyjamjr

yea, that'll do it.....

try cutting back to .25mg eod

actualy, alotta guys will go .25-.5mg e3d as to not effect their dht levels too much and, in turn, hinder strength gains...

im doing .5mg e3d, working well for me...

Do you think that .25 eod of propecia as opposed to 1mg ed will still prevent hair loss?

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Justin332

Thanks for the info Mammon.

So I basically have to pick horniness while on cycle or keeping my hair? Basically?

try adding a dht blocking shampoo like nioxin...

im on a tren ace test prop cycle and im holdin on to my hair pretty well

**jamyjamjr** · 03-31-2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Justin332

Do you think that .25 eod of propecia as opposed to 1mg ed will still prevent hair loss?

like i said, it's working pretty well for me

others have sworn by it also..

but in the end, it's all a matter of genetics bud

**Justin332** · 03-31-2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mammon

think we found the culprit... hard to figure things out without all the information brutha,, have us grasping at straws here...lol

lol, I'm sorry man. When I thought of it well after I started the thread I was so embarassed I hadn't brought it up.

I'll take the blame for being a moron, my fault!