Proposed Cycle Advice

[higherdesire]

Need input on this cycle

1-12 tren a 100mg ed
1-6 dbol 50mg ed
8-14 50-100 mg Win ed (have to see how I do on 50 and maybe bump to 100)

PCT on hand nolva, clomid, and HCG in the closet at all times. Oh and arimidex . I plan on just doing the nolva. I am not prone to sides at all(except acne) I have no experience with tren so I am not sure what to expect, I understand it can be harsh so i am ready for anything.

I also have brocoptimine on hand the I can throw in, but don't want to unless there is good reason.

5'10"
210lbs
39 yrs old
5+yrs lifting
4 cylces
13-14bf right now 11-12 by start of cycle.

I see that either of these go well together, the tren and the dbol or the tren and the winny, but I am not sure if I can run the winny after the dbol like that or not.

Any input is welcome. Also a flame or two will make me feel welcome.

THanks.

[jamyjamjr]

i'd have caber on hand, better yet... i'd use caber from the start

[D7M]

no test in there?

[Mammon]

yeah not much of a break between the orals..
you planning to see how she goes without test?
id go with caber every time.. bromo comes with some nasty sides.. if thats all you have use it only if necessary for sure. id run some b6 at 200mg ed to help keep prolactin in check.
without the test id definately run hcg through the cycle.. well i would anyway.. recovery might be a bitch.
think thats it for now.. lol

[daem]

no test in there?

That was my first thought.

Kids / newbs: This is an example of cycle that will not only shut you down, but murder your liver.

At 39 years old, not the best choices for a whole plethora of reasons.

[higherdesire]

There is plenty of research to support the no test cycle, but I have test e on hand as well, is it that you guys think it would be best for the results of the cycle that I put it in, or that your more concerned about shutting down?

I am not opposed to puttin it in, I was just thinking that if I can get away without adding anything else i would. I think the HCG throughout might be a good idea too Mammon

[daem]

You are 39 years old...Unless you have superior genetics, your natural test production is probably at the lowest it has been for years.

The benefits of Test far outweigh the cons in your case, and the same should be true for anyone that is 30 years or older.

The HCG throughout really isn't necessary in a 14 week cycle unless you go without test. I'd hit the HCG in week 10 or 12 at 1000iu for 3 days if you really are looking to go that route depending on your sides / how you feel.

[T-MOS]

There is plenty of research to support the no test cycle, but I have test e on hand as well, is it that you guys think it would be best for the results of the cycle that I put it in, or that your more concerned about shutting down?

I am not opposed to puttin it in, I was just thinking that if I can get away without adding anything else i would. I think the HCG throughout might be a good idea too Mammon

Well keep in mind that TEST is what makes men men!! That is the hormone that we try to replicate most of the time because its the one that we need for SO many manly things.

Do you really want to shut off what little you have and NOT supplement that?

It's up to you, but I for one will always have some test going in any cycle even if its just a 200 mgs/week replacement dose

[higherdesire]

I have test e and I react slower than most to it, in that I took until about the 7th or 8th week to start seeing results last time, so witht hat said and all the other stuff being faster reacting, should i get a shorter estered test to run with it at a trt dose then, or can I get away with the enanthate still?

I can run 125 x 2 wk through until week 16 (extending by two weeks would be the right thing to do right?)

Waht do you think?

[Mammon]

the enanthate would be fine.. but if your going that route id start the tren in week 3..
if you went with the prop id start the tren in week one.