What can I expect?

[Considering]

I have been working out seriously for 16 years. I am about to turn 30. I am 5’8, between 190 and 195 lbs depending on the time of year. Last time I had my bf checked at the gym, it was 5%. I eat mostly protein and fat with plenty of leafy greens and some fruit, as I have found that on a super-low-carb diet I feel stronger and more energetic, and I’m much leaner. I lost 15 pounds 2 years ago and have basically kept it off since I went practically no-carb.
I think I have reached my natural potential, and, for a few months now, I’ve been (lurking) considering my first cycle. I was wondering what kind of results I could expect from a Test E only cycle (12 weeks @5-600mg a week) with Toremifene for pct, in terms of increased strength and size? I can bench 365 lbs for 5 to 6 reps on most days I do chest. Also, I do an hour of intense cardio 5 days a week, and I was wondering what effect this cycle would have on my cardio? Any related advice is also appreciated.

[D7M]

well, if you've been lurking, you'll know that no one can tell you what *your* gains will be.

you're saying your maintain 5%bf year round? hm.

effect of cycle of test on cardio?....well, what type of cardio is it?

[johnnybigguns]

Your gunna need a better PCT then that.
No one can say what you will get out of it forsure.
Depends on the training and diet and just the person in general.

[Considering]

I am looking to get some kind of “gauge” from someone who may have been in a similar situation or knows someone who has been were I am now. I have been working out hard for a long time and have not been seeing the gains I saw in my teens through my mid 20’s.
As far as the bf goes- I diet strictly year round. Elliptical machine very high intensity.

[satnic33]

What kinda gains are you expecting bro? You sound like your allready on top of your game, especially with your bf%. If your diet and training regime is in check bro, I don't see any reason why you couldn't put on 10-15lbs. I would consider going with Nolvadex for your pct. Wait two week after your last injection of Test E and run it at 20/20/10/10. Peace

Satty

[Considering]

What kinda gains are you expecting bro? You sound like your allready on top of your game, especially with your bf%. If your diet and training regime is in check bro, I don't see any reason why you couldn't put on 10-15lbs. I would consider going with Nolvadex for your pct. Wait two week after your last injection of Test E and run it at 20/20/10/10. Peace

Satty

20 lbs and 4 plates on bench and increased stamina on cardio

[satnic33]

20 lbs and 4 plates on bench and increased stamina on cardio

4 plates could happen bro. Stamina on cardio is based on cardio! Peace

Satty

[johnnybigguns]

It is possible to get 20lbs but it just depends on the person
Check out the PCT section.
Your gunna want a better PCT then what was stated above

[Considering]

It is possible to get 20lbs but it just depends on the person
Check out the PCT section.
Your gunna want a better PCT then what was stated above

I’ve seen that this forum is big on the Nolva/Clomid PCT, but other forums love Toremifene.

[satnic33]

It is possible to get 20lbs but it just depends on the person
Check out the PCT section.
Your gunna want a better PCT then what was stated above

What's wrong with Nolvadex for PCT with a basic 12 week Test E cycle bro? Peace

Satty

[Considering]

What's wrong with Nolvadex for PCT with a basic 12 week Test E cycle bro? Peace

Satty

Nothing wrong but I’ve read and that Toremifene is stronger yet less toxic.

[FireGuy]

My man, if you are walking around at 5'8, 195 and 5% you are a lot bigger and leaner than the flexing fool in my avi. Not doubting you but....well ok I am doubting you. Not that you cant attain that just find it hard to believe that's your everyday look.

[Considering]

Any other advice on how to alter diet (calorie intake and type etc) and workouts (how often, intensity, duration..) on cycle would be greatly appreciated.

[Considering]

My man, if you are walking around at 5'8, 195 and 5% you are a lot bigger and leaner than the flexing fool in my avi. Not doubting you but....well ok I am doubting you. Not that you cant attain that just find it hard to believe that's your everyday look.

I would doubt myself. Most of the serious guys at my gym think I’m on gear. If and when I run my first cycle I will post pics and keep a detailed log.

[FireGuy]

Would have to see the details of your current diet to recommend any changes. You should post a pic as well.

[Immortal Soldier]

What's wrong with Nolvadex for PCT with a basic 12 week Test E cycle bro? Peace

Satty

Because the nolva is underdosed.

I didn't even know Nolva came in 10mg

For a 12 week test-e cycle you can get away with nolva at 40/20/20/20.

But personally I would do Nolva 20/20/20/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50

[D7M]

you're saying your maintain 5%bf year round? hmm.

Would have to see the details of your current diet to recommend any changes. You should post a pic as well.

ditto.

let's see that pic.

[FireGuy]

Yeah bro, if you come in rockin numbers like you state you gotta be able to back it up with pics.

[satnic33]

Because the nolva is underdosed.

I didn't even know Nolva came in 10mg

For a 12 week test-e cycle you can get away with nolva at 40/20/20/20.

But personally I would do Nolva 20/20/20/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50

That's why you split the Nolva in half. Why would you run 2 Serms together at the same time when Nolvadex by itself works great? Peace

Satty

[Considering]

Would have to see the details of your current diet to recommend any changes. You should post a pic as well.

Typical Day-
18oz of tuna (3 6oz cans) with olive oil mixed in
12 boiled eggs whole
2 cups 4% cottage cheese
16 0z red meat
1 42 gram protein shot after workout
4 1.5 or so cup servings of vegetables-mostly leafy greens with olive oil
2 servings of fruit and berries
About a gallon of water a day
And 2 servings of Benifiber.

6 to 12 12oz beers a week

[eatrainrest]

troll

[honda450]

I'd like to see a picture of 5'8 195 @ 5%.

[HOLLYWOOD.JACK]

Nolvadex/Tamoxifen comes in 10mg and 20mg

[lovbyts]

I would not be so quick to call him a troll, it's not that hard to get good size natural with a good diet but 5% body fat is LOW for anything but competition shows.

[Considering]

Yeah bro, if you come in rockin numbers like you state you gotta be able to back it up with pics.

I'm trying to upload a pic, but I get an error message.

[HOLLYWOOD.JACK]

Upload at www.tinypic.com
then [img]imageurlhere[/img]

[Considering]

Upload at www.tinypic.com
then [img]imageurlhere[/img]

Its been saying uploading please wait for like 3 minutes.

[Considering]

http://i41.tinypic.com/of7ntg.jpg

[Considering]

oops

[FireGuy]

You are in decent shape and please dont take this as a flame but you are nowhere close to 5% body fat bro. Kudos for having the stones to post the pic.

[Considering]

You are in decent shape and please dont take this as a flame but you are nowhere close to 5% body fat bro. Kudos for having the stones to post the pic.

I was not the one who did the measuring. I had it done by 2 different trainers at the gym one month apart. I am here for advice- What would you say the bf is?

[Considering]

You are in decent shape and please dont take this as a flame but you are nowhere close to 5% body fat bro. Kudos for having the stones to post the pic.

I know the 5'8 195 for sure.

[FireGuy]

I never questioned your ht/wt.

[Considering]

I never questioned your ht/wt.

I'm just saying/repeating this to get your opinion on bf and if I am ready to cycle considering diet and training experience.

[Considering]

I was hoping to find out what I could expect to get out of my first cycle. I tried to post as complete of a picture as I could, stats, years training, max lift, diet etc, to get feedback on anything you guys think I should alter, before, on and after my proposed first cycle.

[Immortal Soldier]

I was not the one who did the measuring. I had it done by 2 different trainers at the gym one month apart. I am here for advice- What would you say the bf is?

8-9% hard to tell from just one pic

[Noles12]

yeah hard to tell from one but anywhere from 9 to 11%. Post a few more including legs.

[Considering]

yeah hard to tell from one but anywhere from 9 to 11%. Post a few more including legs.

8-9% hard to tell from just one pic

Will do, but I was hoping to get more feedback in general also, not just a discussion of my bf- although I know bf is a component.

[Considering]

Hope this helps: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=349bgy0&s=5
More feedback please regarding everything else.

[lovbyts]

I was going to guess roughly 10%, maybe 9% but that is very good, you really dont want to be less unless you are doing competition. Looks good and your ready.