so i got some bad advice, and now need yours

**phobos** · 04-06-2009, 07:37 PM

First off let me say i'm 6'1 160 pounds, so what i'm about to say i'm sure you'll all flame me for but please realize im looking for much different results than the average builder. ive been working out since highschool, never too much with weights until about 4 months ago. I've been a runner my whole life, hence the runners build. i asked my buddy from work wut i could do to get more lean for the beach season coming up so i got some clen . this isnt the problem
after trying the clen and loving the boost it gave me, especially in the morning. i went from hating the morning and pounding coffee to getting up with a smile. Now that i tryed the clen, loved the boosts my friend told me he had some extra winny. Knowing nothing about the roid, but thinking "why not, hes giving it to me for free" i took it and started injecting based on his instructions. im almost sure its 50mg i mix it with vitamine b oil and shoot my ass cheek every other day. i came across the website and found a wealth of information and now sortof wish i would have waited and began some letro before starting the cycle. im thinking of starting to shoot everyday since it seems like thats what most people recommend but im afraid the gleno shit happening.
know the reason i don't take test or any other mass builder is because it'd be so clear to my friends and family i was on juice. especially my girlfriend especially would be able to tell which really wouldnt bother me, but id rather her thinking im doing it all natural.
so do i stop the juice and take letro, can i find letro at gnc and places, or should i suck it up and take the needle everyday starting tommorow. ps i havnt seen a person on the forum to do winny/clen so that makes me #1 retard huh

**Phate** · 04-06-2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

First off let me say i'm 6'1 160 pounds, so what i'm about to say i'm sure you'll all flame me for but please realize im looking for much different results than the average builder. ive been working out since highschool, never too much with weights until about 4 months ago. I've been a runner my whole life, hence the runners build. i asked my buddy from work wut i could do to get more lean for the beach season coming up so i got some clen . this isnt the problem
after trying the clen and loving the boost it gave me, especially in the morning. i went from hating the morning and pounding coffee to getting up with a smile. Now that i tryed the clen, loved the boosts my friend told me he had some extra winny. Knowing nothing about the roid, but thinking "why not, hes giving it to me for free" i took it and started injecting based on his instructions. im almost sure its 50mg i mix it with vitamine b oil and shoot my ass cheek every other day. i came across the website and found a wealth of information and now sortof wish i would have waited and began some letro before starting the cycle. im thinking of starting to shoot everyday since it seems like thats what most people recommend but im afraid the gleno shit happening.
know the reason i don't take test or any other mass builder is because it'd be so clear to my friends and family i was on juice. especially my girlfriend especially would be able to tell which really wouldnt bother me, but id rather her thinking im doing it all natural.
so do i stop the juice and take letro, can i find letro at gnc and places, or should i suck it up and take the needle everyday starting tommorow. ps i havnt seen a person on the forum to do winny/clen so that makes me #1 retard huh

age?

do you know what clen does? just wondering

winny needs to be shot ed, though you shouldn't be using it in the first place

i'd be more worried about messing with your endocrine system than the gyno, though the chances of getting gyno from winny are rare(at least compared to some of the things you could be shooting)

no you can't find letro at gnc or otc

and you aren't a retard, a retard would continue shooting chemicals that they have no clue about into their body without a second thought, but you came here and asked questions which makes you smarter than most people in my opinion

**satnic33** · 04-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

First off let me say i'm 6'1 160 pounds, so what i'm about to say i'm sure you'll all flame me for but please realize im looking for much different results than the average builder. ive been working out since highschool, never too much with weights until about 4 months ago. I've been a runner my whole life, hence the runners build. i asked my buddy from work wut i could do to get more lean for the beach season coming up so i got some clen . this isnt the problem
after trying the clen and loving the boost it gave me, especially in the morning. i went from hating the morning and pounding coffee to getting up with a smile. Now that i tryed the clen, loved the boosts my friend told me he had some extra winny. Knowing nothing about the roid, but thinking "why not, hes giving it to me for free" i took it and started injecting based on his instructions. im almost sure its 50mg i mix it with vitamine b oil and shoot my ass cheek every other day. i came across the website and found a wealth of information and now sortof wish i would have waited and began some letro before starting the cycle. im thinking of starting to shoot everyday since it seems like thats what most people recommend but im afraid the gleno shit happening.
know the reason i don't take test or any other mass builder is because it'd be so clear to my friends and family i was on juice. especially my girlfriend especially would be able to tell which really wouldnt bother me, but id rather her thinking im doing it all natural.
so do i stop the juice and take letro, can i find letro at gnc and places, or should i suck it up and take the needle everyday starting tommorow. ps i havnt seen a person on the forum to do winny/clen so that makes me #1 retard huh

Bro, first of all stop taking the winny w/o the proper knowledge of what you are doing. Secondly your girlfriend is gonna know something is up once your dick stops working from taking winny by itself w/o Test. Take some time and learn my friend. It will go along way with helping you attain your goals. At 6'1" and 160lbs how much more lean do you really wanna get bro? Peace

Satty

***T-MOS*** · 04-06-2009, 07:52 PM

Welcome to AR

glad you came here. not to flame, but WHY would you take chemicals that will change the chemical make up of your body without knowing EVERYTHING to protect yourself??

at 6'1 and ONLY 160 lbs, do you know your bodyfat% ?

do you have a weight that you want to be? I don't think you need steroids or clen for that matter, but lets see what your real goals are and we can help you get to them

as far as what other people are gonna think there is a number of things that you can tell them to get them off your back.

**gymnerd** · 04-06-2009, 07:54 PM

Damn winny is an expensive compound to run he just gave it to you? Other than that what everyone else said.

**phobos** · 04-06-2009, 08:10 PM

as for my dick, im confident in it. and if i start having trouble i have a stash of viagra i usually make some money of off that i can put to use. im only 21 and as for my goals i just want to be cut as possible, mainly 6-pack which i understand is mostly dependent on ur diet which ive had a solid diet since being a wrestler years ago. as for wut do i know about clen ? it picks me up in the morning and digests fat/protein faster. off the top of my head lol

***T-MOS*** · 04-06-2009, 08:12 PM

do you know that winny will shut down your natural test production?

**eatrainrest** · 04-06-2009, 08:14 PM

solid diet at 6 foot, 160 lbs? post it in the diet forum for critique you can add at least 40 pounds naturally

**Phate** · 04-06-2009, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

as for my dick, im confident in it. and if i start having trouble i have a stash of viagra i usually make some money of off that i can put to use. im only 21 and as for my goals i just want to be cut as possible, mainly 6-pack which i understand is mostly dependent on ur diet which ive had a solid diet since being a wrestler years ago. as for wut do i know about clen ? it picks me up in the morning and digests fat/protein faster. off the top of my head lol

ummm...nooo, clen has nothing to do with digestion, i would suggest you read up on it as it's a serious compound, read this

Clen FAQ
contributed by WARmachine ~ Written by perfectbeast2001
Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

and while your at it, this as well

Things to Conside BEFORE AAS
Written by Marcus300
contributed by Marcus300
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post4316957

**phobos** · 04-06-2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

solid diet at 6 foot, 160 lbs? post it in the diet forum for critique you can add at least 40 pounds naturally

im not lookin to put on weight. i cardio like an animal to keep weight off. my girlfriends 5'11 110ish pounds we look good thin hah and no i didnt know winny shuts down test in my system im probably going to save it for when i can afford some of that stuff. and as for clen i read somewher eon this sight that it helps wit fats/proteins but ill give that link a read when i get a hot second

**JiGGaMaN** · 04-06-2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

as for my dick, im confident in it. and if i start having trouble i have a stash of viagra i usually make some money of off that i can put to use. im only 21 and as for my goals i just want to be cut as possible, mainly 6-pack which i understand is mostly dependent on ur diet which ive had a solid diet since being a wrestler years ago. as for wut do i know about clen ? it picks me up in the morning and digests fat/protein faster. off the top of my head lol

thats T3 actually.

**phobos** · 04-06-2009, 08:22 PM

is t3 not clen ? everywhere on this sight people say it doesnt come anything but 10 and 20mgs. mine are 40's does that sound odd?

**eatrainrest** · 04-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

im not lookin to put on weight. i cardio like an animal to keep weight off. my girlfriends 5'11 110ish pounds we look good thin hah and no i didnt know winny shuts down test in my system im probably going to save it for when i can afford some of that stuff. and as for clen i read somewher eon this sight that it helps wit fats/proteins but ill give that link a read when i get a hot second

what are your reasons for taking steroids ? muscle weighs more than fat im sure you want to pack some of that on, hence the purpose of a cycle or you wouldnt be screwing around with roids in the first place..

**Phate** · 04-06-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

is t3 not clen? everywhere on this sight people say it doesnt come anything but 10 and 20mgs. mine are 40's does that sound odd?

no, t3 is a synthetic thyroid hormone, clen is a selective beta 2 antagonist, and it's not 40mg, it's 40mcg

1mg=1000mcg

if you took 40mg you would be dead right now

research bro, this stuff can hurt you if you don't know what you are doing

**IM708** · 04-06-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

is t3 not clen? everywhere on this sight people say it doesnt come anything but 10 and 20mgs. mine are 40's does that sound odd?

clen is a broncodilator that also acts on cns

t3= thyroxine, a hormone which one of the things it does is increases metabolic rate and is very catabolic. So don't touch this one until you are ready to cycle which you arn't even close.

**stillandbox** · 04-06-2009, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

is t3 not clen? everywhere on this sight people say it doesnt come anything but 10 and 20mgs. mine are 40's does that sound odd?

T3 is a thyroid hormone...Clen or Clenbuterol is a sympathomimetic Bronchodilator (which means it makes your sympathetic nervous system speed up. EX: Increased Blood Pressure, Increased Body temperature, and increased pulse)

If what you are taking is T3, you need to come off it correctly because it taking it incorrectly can really causes thyroid problems for life.

Clen can come in 40MCG (Microgram) tabs.

How many mcg are you taking per day?

--Still

**phobos** · 04-06-2009, 08:50 PM

just 1 40mcg in the morning around 8:00 im still on the first week, next week i might start taking 80mcg im just worried about my sleeping patterns when i get back into my classes, rightnow im on springbreak.
and the reasons im taking the roids is to help me lift. im disgustingly weak in all areas of the gym besides the treadmill and even if this stuff didnt do much to my body, mentally it pushed me to go hard and im already feeling results
ps. the person giving me the stuff is a self-glorified roid expert, i thought he knew what he was talkin bout apparently not

**Phate** · 04-06-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

just 1 40mcg in the morning around 8:00 im still on the first week, next week i might start taking 80mcg im just worried about my sleeping patterns when i get back into my classes, rightnow im on springbreak.
and the reasons im taking the roids is to help me lift. im disgustingly weak in all areas of the gym besides the treadmill and even if this stuff didnt do much to my body, mentally it pushed me to go hard and im already feeling results
ps. the person giving me the stuff is a self-glorified roid expert, i thought he knew what he was talkin bout apparently not

most people think they are

**phobos** · 04-07-2009, 09:49 AM

i realise this ^ my dillema now is idk if its worth stopping. I'm already into the winny and im feeling gains ive never felt before and its really only the beginning. if i dont have to worry about the gyno crap i dont see the problem wit lack of test in my system besides a limp dick, which i have a cure for. so the question is do i continue every other day or put the cycle into full gear? its the only cycle ive taken and probably wont do another for a long time, this is just got my body in gear for summer, so i hope consequences will be minimal

**eatrainrest** · 04-07-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by phobos

i realise this ^ my dillema now is idk if its worth stopping. I'm already into the winny and im feeling gains ive never felt before and its really only the beginning. if i dont have to worry about the gyno crap i dont see the problem wit lack of test in my system besides a limp dick, which i have a cure for. so the question is do i continue every other day or put the cycle into full gear? its the only cycle ive taken and probably wont do another for a long time, this is just got my body in gear for summer, so i hope consequences will be minimal

hey man, i hope your consequences are minimal too, however not test=will hsut you down... idno what your solution to that is viagra at 21? and gyno can come during or after cycle, PCT.. so maybe your not prone to it.. all in all.. learn because running a cycle without a test base is not smart

**phobos** · 04-07-2009, 10:01 AM

ok im just frustrated that i startted this shit and now it goes to waste if i cut it off, i guess its not a big deal but i know i dont have much time before the summer.. i told my buddy i wanted test and he said im silly, and should get deca ? what do you all recommend test-e? also im very prone to acne breakouts so im on the fence about anything that might add to that, ive heard mixed results about winny on the acne.
also about the viagra, im not saying id use it consistently. i havnt had a problem so far at all but i guess ur right im at the beginning of the cycle its probably hasnt really kicked in yet

**eatrainrest** · 04-07-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by phobos

just 1 40mcg in the morning around 8:00 im still on the first week, next week i might start taking 80mcg im just worried about my sleeping patterns when i get back into my classes, rightnow im on springbreak.
and the reasons im taking the roids is to help me lift. im disgustingly weak in all areas of the gym besides the treadmill and even if this stuff didnt do much to my body, mentally it pushed me to go hard and im already feeling results
ps. the person giving me the stuff is a self-glorified roid expert, i thought he knew what he was talkin bout apparently not

so you admitt taking roids to help you lift.. aka build muscle... aka promote lean muscle gains.. aka weight. anybody here will tell you that you could have naturally gained much more MUSCLE, not fat (maybe minimal fat), and could have maximized your genetic potential, therefore more effective cycle results. and the treadmill can be your enemy when trying to "help you lift", depending on what intensity level you train at...

**eatrainrest** · 04-07-2009, 10:05 AM

honestly, its just a little bit of money your wasting for your health? cant put a price on taht.. i would drop the cycle or start PCT, if you have it on hand.. calculate your BMR, post your stats in the diet forum, watch the dvd video stickies, and post a diet for critique. train naturally for 2-3 years wtih a strict diet and youd be amazed at the results, given your training/cardio/diet/sleep/stres/hydration/etc... then you can instead of taking a shit cycle at 160, take an amazing, well thought out cycle at 23-24, when your body will naturally put on 15-20 lbs of leaner mass. just my opinion

**tripmachine** · 04-07-2009, 10:16 AM

you got some bad advice and now need mine? Sorry... i'm all out of bad advice for now....

**phobos** · 04-07-2009, 10:22 AM

see the thing is im joining the pd (hopefully) next year depending on the physical, and i sortof wanted the stuff in and out of my system just incase they test for gear. ive searched the forum for peoples opinions on the matter but nothing from my state inparticular. even though i guess they dont itd be safer to put it off neway until i know for sure

**phobos** · 04-07-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

so you admitt taking roids to help you lift.. aka build muscle... aka promote lean muscle gains.. aka weight. anybody here will tell you that you could have naturally gained much more MUSCLE, not fat (maybe minimal fat), and could have maximized your genetic potential, therefore more effective cycle results. and the treadmill can be your enemy when trying to "help you lift", depending on what intensity level you train at...

and i see your point, and knew that before i started but i like the lean look. im not looking to be huge i want to be cut up like a beast. ive been on a good diet for a while now but ill post it up when i get the chance. i just uploaded some pictures for you all to make fun of my skinny bones 20yr/6'1/160pnds watch me grow im not flexing at all in the first picture i want my body to have the cuts without straining it
ughh and i know my wrists/forearm are skinny but that picture just made me realise its a little out of proportion. im headed to the gym now thanks for all the advice guys

**Getinbgr** · 04-07-2009, 11:59 AM

First, lack of test just doesn't effect the dick. Test is critical to mood, appetite, energy levels etc...No test for any significant period of time will spell only bad things. Second, I wouldn't worry about staying 160 llbs. You can be just as ripped at 180. Being ripped doesn't equal being skinny, which, at the moment, you are.

***D7M*** · 04-07-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

see the thing is im joining the pd (hopefully) next year depending on the physical, and i sortof wanted the stuff in and out of my system just incase they test for gear. ive searched the forum for peoples opinions on the matter but nothing from my state inparticular. even though i guess they dont itd be safer to put it off neway until i know for sure

state or local?

state they give you a poly and they *will* ask if you ever used gear.

**eatrainrest** · 04-07-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

state or local?

state they give you a poly and they *will* ask if you ever used gear.

depends what state your talking about

***D7M*** · 04-07-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

depends what state your talking about

true.

but my understanding is that most do.

It's like they tack it onto the end of the questions about rec. drugs.

**JiGGaMaN** · 04-07-2009, 03:58 PM

regarding my comment about T3: T3 is somewhat stimulating and metabolises fat/protein faster. i didnt mean your clen was T3. Just your description was spot on for T3

**phobos** · 04-07-2009, 04:03 PM

ahh true, and the whole local/state thing is a bit off. ill be doing city pd and from what ive heard from people on the job is there's no lie detector, due to them wanting to hire more minorities? thats just hearsay lol and ya woops on the t3 mixup, clen gets the job done for me

**JiGGaMaN** · 04-07-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by phobos

ahh true, and the whole local/state thing is a bit off. ill be doing city pd and from what ive heard from people on the job is there's no lie detector, due to them wanting to hire more minorities? thats just hearsay lol and ya woops on the t3 mixup, clen gets the job done for me

no problem. i now realize how easy that was to misinterpret.