First Cycle- Feedback Please:

[Considering]

30 year old male
5’8
195
9-11%? BF (see pics)- http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=349bgy0&s=5 http://i41.tinypic.com/of7ntg.jpg
Training seriously for 16 years

Test E 600mg a week for 16 weeks
Primo 600mg a week for 16 weeks
Or –
Test E 600mg for 12 weeks then 200mg for the next 4 weeks
Primo 600mg for 16 weeks

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/20/0
Clomid 100/50/50/50

The replies to my last post changed my mind about using Tor.

My question is this: I was planning on running only Test E for 12 weeks at 5-600mg a week. A very experienced “friend” of mine (37 years old 20 cycles or so, but very difficult to talk to and impatient with questions) insists I run Primo as well. He says that it will enhance a basic Test E cycle with no negative additional side effects.

1. Any reasons not to run the Primo other than cost and fakes?

2. Should I plan on running the Test E for 16 weeks at 600mg and see how I respond or immediately do down to 200mg come week 13?

3. Anyone out there suggest Tor over Nolva?

[jamyjamjr]

1. primos fine

2. you'll platue at about 12 unless u up your dosage

3. tor???

[Considering]

1. primos fine

2. you'll platue at about 12 unless u up your dosage

3. tor???

Toremifene

Should I up both dosages? To what mg's a week?

[jamyjamjr]

i wouldn't just keep it at 16 weeks with everything... just realize that your gonna have a long time off between cycles...

[Considering]

i wouldn't just keep it at 16 weeks with everything... just realize that your gonna have a long time off between cycles...

I only plan on doing 1 cycle (maybe 2). I figure I can maintain my gains from 1 cycle. My natural Test levels were much higher in my teens and even my mid-twenties, bit I am bigger and stronger today even though my last blood test had me only at 350 ng/dl or so . Will I not be able to maintain my gains without additional cycles- is my logic off base?

Anyone else, preferably with some experience with both, want to say anything about Tor versus Nolva?

[Considering]

And thoughts on the Primo to go with the Test?

[gymnerd]

Well I was asking about Primo a while back and the response I got was its very week steroid that needs to be run in high doses to be effective and is expensive and fake most of the time. Masteron is similar but better all around compared to primo and cheaper also but, if its your first cycle 600mg of test E wk is all you will need maybe use an oral kick start like dbol that is optional (I am running 35mg day for 5wks myself).

[Considering]

Well I was asking about Primo a while back and the response I got was its very week steroid that needs to be run in high doses to be effective and is expensive and fake most of the time. Masteron is similar but better all around compared to primo and cheaper also but, if its your first cycle 600mg of test E wk is all you will need maybe use an oral kick start like dbol that is optional (I am running 35mg day for 5wks myself).

How do you like the Dbol ? Any rapid increase in strength?

[gymnerd]

Its working very well so far. Little bit of Strength so far nothing crazy but the pumps are crazy its still early.

[Considering]

Any comments on only running one cycle? Do we produce enough nat Test to maintain the gains if diet and workouts remain intense?

[sigman roid]

Any comments on only running one cycle? Do we produce enough nat Test to maintain the gains if diet and workouts remain intense?

The most important part of keeping your gains will be your pct if your pct is right diet and training are good you shouldnt have a problem keeping a decent amount of your gains.

[Considering]

The most important part of keeping your gains will be your pct if your pct is right diet and training are good you shouldnt have a problem keeping a decent amount of your gains.

Do you suggest any particular PCT?

[sigman roid]

Do you suggest any particular PCT?

the pct you suggested looks ok but if your not sure have a look on the educational threads theres loads of advice on pct for you over there

[Considering]

Any more feedback?
1. Any reasons not to run the Primo other than cost and fakes?

3. Anyone out there suggest Tor over Nolva?

[honda450]

I would run the general Clomid and Nolva PCT.
Primo would be good I think too. If it's your first cycle I'd stick to something like Test / Dbol .

[10nispro]

If this is your first and maybe last cycle, you need only the test.

If your diet is good and cardio, your body will respond nicely.

If you have weird sides or complications you want know which compound is causing it.

Use nolva/clomid or nolva/aromasin for pct

[JACKEDnTan]

get some a-dex in case estrogen related sides start showing up. it can even be incorporated in your pct.

[Considering]

If this is your first and maybe last cycle, you need only the test.

If your diet is good and cardio, your body will respond nicely.

If you have weird sides or complications you want know which compound is causing it.

Use nolva/clomid or nolva/aromasin for pct

I hope I only have to run 1 cycle and that's why I want to kick the Test up a bit, but could running the Primo hurt? What weird sides do you refer to? I already lost just about all my hair and had to take accutane for acne.

[DOHCrazy]

I don't know you that well, but I think most people will agree that rarely does anyone do 'just one cycle.'

I also agree with the Test only advice. That will make it much easier for you to see how your body reacts to each compound.

[honda450]

Well if you got the Primo and enough of it you might as well throw it in...

[Considering]

I don't know you that well, but I think most people will agree that rarely does anyone do 'just one cycle.'

I also agree with the Test only advice. That will make it much easier for you to see how your body reacts to each compound.

I'm 5'8 195lbs, I only want another 15 20lbs max more or so and to bench 405lbs for reps- I'm stuck now at 365lbs.