need help on stack!!

**deja vu** · 04-13-2009, 07:56 PM

I just gave my buddy money for a 10 week supply of deca , primobolin, stanozolol , and clomid. I did not get hcg or novalex(?). what would be the best way of introducing them? Is this even a decent stack? I don't think i bought enough and after doing research probably not the right stack. I guess I should have got test with the deca. Thank you for your response.

**honda450** · 04-13-2009, 07:58 PM

For a first cycle you would be advised to run just Test, preferably Test Enanthate or Cypionate for 10-12 weeks at 500mg/week.
This is to see how your body reacts to the compound and then in later cycles you may stack as you wish.
Two injections per week on Monday/Thursday.

PCT would be Nolva and Clomid for four weeks.
50/50/50/50
20/20/20/20

or whatever doses you prefer, some bump it higher, i don't.

***T-MOS*** · 04-13-2009, 07:59 PM

It would help to know a little bit more about you

your stats please?
and any previous cycle history

**deja vu** · 04-13-2009, 08:09 PM

I'm 30yrs, 182lbs., 5'9". I ran a 8 week cycle of stanozolol before with no problems. That was 2 years ago. Been back in the gym for 6 months everyday. Feel great just want to take these and want to know the best way to do with what i got. Also can i get by with just the clomid since i'm using primo and winni?

***T-MOS*** · 04-13-2009, 08:13 PM

I wouldn't suggest you take anything right now! Especially for only being in the gym for 6 months, but I am doubting you will listen

Winny by itself is RISKY, glad you feel you didn't have any problems, What is your bodyfat %

what is your goal for running these compounds??

What is your reasoning for wanting to SHUT DOWN your bodies natural test production without replacing it with supplemental Test?

Are you aware of how suppressive deca is to your HPTA?

Clomid is NOT enough for a proper PCT

**deja vu** · 04-13-2009, 08:25 PM

i can get some sust 250 to replace the primo with. or just take the primo and winni. My body fat percentage is 18-20%. My goal is to get better results, strength and mass, then wasting money at GNC. I'm not aware of deca being suppressive. I dont know what HPTA is. Can I get something else to go with the Clomid for my post? (legally). You are right, I will admit, I am inexperienced and impatient when it comes to suppliments. I didnt think that one cc of deca and primo a week was alot to finish up with Winni in the last 6 weeks of the 10 wk cycle. Maybe I should just stick to 10 weeks of JUST sust. 250? I do appreciate your concern and help. Thank you.

**honda450** · 04-13-2009, 08:33 PM

Listen to T-MOS.

You should be running Test alone for your cycle.
But Test/Primo/Winny would be sweet. Drop the Deca ..

**honda450** · 04-13-2009, 08:34 PM

10 weeks of Sust 250 would be good.
You could do that and then run Winny at the end...

***T-MOS*** · 04-13-2009, 08:37 PM

winny is a waste when your bodyfat is over 10%,

Sust isn't the best Test to use since it needs injected EOD I would go with Test E or Cyp,

keep in mind at higher than 15% bodyfat you are at a much higher risk for estrogen sides like GYNO

You should work on DIET first, as steroids are NOT magic and do not take the place of the proper diet and training.

you may make gains, BUT you will lose most if not all of them after you are done, so why put your body though that

by your own admission, you do NOT know how to do this stuff properly, and this isn't something you want to just jump into as you could be screwing up your body for life

HPTA= Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis, it is what controls the production of your body's natural testosterone , you know , the hormone that makes men, men?

Not something you want to take lightly especially when you are SHUTTING IT OFF