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    Upcoming Cycle help?

    Hey guys, been away for a long time but been doing some research last 4 months and training hard.

    My profile: I have been lifting for about 8 years. Currently 230lbs, 6'0, low body fat, and im all about strength: Personal Best are Squat- 632 Bench- 515 and deadlift -641. This will be my 5th cycle (past made up of test/win/dbol /ect) Last cycle was 2.5 years ago.

    Cycle:
    I wanted to try this out (I was given all this by a friend who I helped out in court [long story] so this is what i put together.

    10 weeks:
    1-10: Test E (i have the 250mg bottles) and was going to run 500mg a week your typical sunday/thursday due to those are my off days

    1-10: Tren E (i know this will probably be the main part of the cycle i need help with, i have the 200mg bottles) going to take 200mg a week again sun.day/thursday....i have been reading that 200mg is the min and i would like to stick with this due to first time with Tren E....

    I was given winstrol as well but i am not sure if i would like to run this as well, I would like this to be a size/strength gain (i know not your typical summer) but i have never had issues with staying lean

    PCT: This is where my education lacks. I was looking at Pheedno's PCT and reading about everything and it seemed to make the most sense to me...a 30 day pct that would be made up of .25mg L-Dex, 100mg Clomid, and 20 mg Nolva...i also will be getting arimidex to have on hand incase of gyno (better safe then sorry)...for the PCT i know the Test E starts 14 days after last shot and that the Tren E is one week after last shot...so would this PCT just be a week after my last Tren shot????

    Diet: I am going to be around 4,200 calories a day and including flax seed, gluatamine, glucosamine, hyaluronic acid, whey, casesin, etc....this part of the process i am okay with (over 40 post doc credits in nutrition)...for me personally i know growth and strength is made up of three things, Hard Work + Diet + Sleep

    This is my basic plan and wanted to get some advice from some experienced members to see what i should do to tweak....all advice welcomed

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    230lbs and low bf, as well as your lifting accolades are all quite impressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore189 View Post
    Hey guys, been away for a long time but been doing some research last 4 months and training hard.

    My profile: I have been lifting for about 8 years. Currently 230lbs, 6'0, low body fat, and im all about strength: Personal Best are Squat- 632 Bench- 515 and deadlift -641. This will be my 5th cycle (past made up of test/win/dbol /ect) Last cycle was 2.5 years ago.

    Cycle:
    I wanted to try this out (I was given all this by a friend who I helped out in court [long story] so this is what i put together.

    10 weeks:
    1-10: Test E (i have the 250mg bottles) and was going to run 500mg a week your typical sunday/thursday due to those are my off days
    Sounds good.

    1-10: Tren E (i know this will probably be the main part of the cycle i need help with, i have the 200mg bottles) going to take 200mg a week again sun.day/thursday....i have been reading that 200mg is the min and i would like to stick with this due to first time with Tren E....
    Sounds good.

    I was given winstrol as well but i am not sure if i would like to run this as well, I would like this to be a size/strength gain (i know not your typical summer) but i have never had issues with staying lean
    Based on your documented leaness and propensity for it, I'd say go ahead and add the Winny. Even though you cited size and strength as your goals and will obviously have a diet commensurate with said goals, it is summer, and clean calories in conjunction with your naturally lean physique will only be agumented by Winny. But it's a judgment call/personal preference.

    PCT: This is where my education lacks. I was looking at Pheedno's PCT and reading about everything and it seemed to make the most sense to me...a 30 day pct that would be made up of

    .25mg L-Dex, Optional for this cycle, unless you want it to serve as a pre-emptive gyno combatant.

    100mg Clomid, and 20 mg Nolva... Overkill if considering this dosage throughout. You can soundly subtract half the Clomid after the first 4-7 days.

    i also will be getting arimidex to have on hand incase of gyno (better safe then sorry)...
    Although sufficient in general estrogen reduction, this is the poorest of AI's with regard to gyno reversal, select stronger a one, or since it's post cycle anyway go with Nolva.

    OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

    CONCLUSION: Anastrozole did not significantly reduce the incidence of bicalutamide-induced gynecomastia and breast pain. In contrast, tamoxifen was effective, without increasing adverse events, at least in the short-term follow-up. These data support the need for a larger study to determine any effect on mortality.

    for the PCT i know the Test E starts 14 days after last shot and that the Tren E is one week after last shot...so would this PCT just be a week after my last Tren shot????
    That's a good question. The trick here is to conclude them in concert by running the Tren one week longer than the Enth, and beginning PCT the following week--giving you one week after Tren, yet two after Enth.

    Diet: I am going to be around 4,200 calories a day and including flax seed, gluatamine, glucosamine, hyaluronic acid, whey, casesin, etc....this part of the process i am okay with (over 40 post doc credits in nutrition)...for me personally i know growth and strength is made up of three things, Hard Work + Diet + Sleep

    This is my basic plan and wanted to get some advice from some experienced members to see what i should do to tweak....all advice welcomed
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    Thank you for the advice...the timing of the PCT makes more sense to me now so i could just use the nova if gyno comes about?

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    Great pudmed article

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    i would go with some prop 100 -125 mg ed for 8-10 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore189 View Post
    Thank you for the advice...the timing of the PCT makes more sense to me now so i could just use the nova if gyno comes about?
    Yes, numerous studies and personal testimonies assert that Nolva is highly effective at reversing and/or satisfactorily reducing gyno.
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    Difference between Drugs & Poisons
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=317700


    Half-lives explained
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...inal+half+life


    DNP like Chemotherapy, can be a useful poison, but both are still POISONS
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=306144


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    any other input?

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