Dumb Question

[tsimmns92782]

So I am new to this whole gear thing but have actually considered it. I know my diet is not in check as it should be still trying to get that worked out. My training is probably above average as I have been working out off and on for six years. Reason I'm asking all this is I had a friend of mine do a cycle and gained about 25 lb. I'm 26 and currently 145 give or take 5 lbs. My bodyfat is around 8%. I know everyone says you should be around 180 naturally for my height but just wondering what the side effects would be of using the gear just like I am. I know this sound dumb and all but just wanting some advice from people that do these things or than my friend.

[T-MOS]

How tall are you?

Side effects if you don't have your natural base down,will be that you will make gains, but most likely LOSE all of them after you are done .

Diet is the key to gaining and keeping gains. Steroids are ONLY an aid to allow your body to process more protein than it naturally would

Depending on what your "friend" was taking, chances are his gains will be temporary or mostly water weight that will be lost.

[tsimmns92782]

I'm 6'0". I can say that at one time I was 160 natural. But that was right out of basic training. Went from 129 to 160 in 3 months

[T-MOS]

WOW !

at 6', you should be able to reach 200-210 NATURALLY before ever needing steroids.

If you can't do that, then you will not get much out of using them now

your diet is what needs corrected if you want to grow!!

[manwitplans]

Yep, incredibly skinny, though 8% bodyfat is something.. But nonetheless dude.
Get your diet in check, and training, and rest before even considering AAS

[tsimmns92782]

Like I said the most that I have ever weighed was about 162 right out of basic military training. I weighed 129 going in and go out weighing 162. But have lost back down to 145 after 3 years. Just trying to get back up to that point. Know my diet is lacking, but im single and dont cook. And more the less know the research of what to it. Just can never put it all together. Wish there was a site, that gave you a step meal as to what to eat. I know the whole eat every three hours deal. But would like to know if there is a site that gives pre laid out 12 week meal plan, meal by meal of what to eat.

[richtries]

scroll through the diet section, should find alot of meal ideas there. Really need to learn to some cooking bascis though.

[chuckt12345]

well some people are just skinny and thats one reason DOCTORS prescribe steroids to young men,, TO GAIN WEIGHT. I think we sometimes forget the whole purpose of what some of these hormones were created in the first place. Sometimes diet is not the key to weight gain. He could be anemic.

[tsimmns92782]

Like I said I know my diet should be better. But I weighed 129 up until I was 24 years old. I am 100% positive I am an ectomorph and should probably be knocking down around 5000 cals a day. I have problems eating a lot at one time, but I eat often. Not sure about anemic, I have had my thyroid checked before and it came back good. I think one problem is I shit to much. I was once on the body for life diet eating spinanch about every day and every time I shit it was green. Freaked me out. I am pretty positive I'm lactose disfunctionalas milk and eggs does bad things to my insides and gives me the runs. Any ideas

[chuckt12345]

you could try a endocrine specialist or a good doctor, explain to them you are unable to gain weight. Because at your height and lb's that is extremely skinny and i would think they may prescribe you something for it.

[tsimmns92782]

Sounds good most doctors however just wanna tell me to eat a good diet when I talk to them. I mean I'm not anorexic looking just very unconfident in how I feel. Felt a lot better at 162.

[jamyjamjr]

So I am new to this whole gear thing but have actually considered it. I know my diet is not in check as it should be still trying to get that worked out. My training is probably above average as I have been working out off and on for six years. Reason I'm asking all this is I had a friend of mine do a cycle and gained about 25 lb. I'm 26 and currently 145 give or take 5 lbs. My bodyfat is around 8%. I know everyone says you should be around 180 naturally for my height but just wondering what the side effects would be of using the gear just like I am. I know this sound dumb and all but just wanting some advice from people that do these things or than my friend.

your in major need of a diet overhaul....

i usualy do this in the diet forum, but at 6 feet and 145lbs, ill make an exception

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

above is a link to a great series of nutritional videos, they'll give you a great idea as to how your diet SHOULD be looking

when your done with that, do some math for me...


Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )



once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:


If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9

once we have that number, based on all your new found knowledge about dieting, i want you to post up a new diet... i gota admit, at your stats u should be eating like an animal to bulk.. but let's get those numbers first...

[tsimmns92782]

So in regards to the last post my number is 25543.4725. Which to me seems kinda low but I guess accurate. Jamy you said in the last post I should be eating like an animal does this mean pretty much eating everything I can get my hands on, well not literally but does it mean as long as Im eating protein and carbs 6 to 7 times a day that I shouldn't be to concerned about portions of things.

[jamyjamjr]

So in regards to the last post my number is 25543.4725. Which to me seems kinda low but I guess accurate. Jamy you said in the last post I should be eating like an animal does this mean pretty much eating everything I can get my hands on, well not literally but does it mean as long as Im eating protein and carbs 6 to 7 times a day that I shouldn't be to concerned about portions of things.

im sure you mean 2543.47....

what did you multiply by??

i would put you on a 3000kcal diet...

try to remember this

1g protien= 4kcal
1g carb= 4kcal
1g fat= 9kcal
1g alcohol (big no, no, but it sometimes cant be avoided)= 8kcal

i think a 40 40 20 split would be ideal for you.. we can tweak later on if necessary..

300g protien 40% of 3000
300g carbs 40% of 3000
66g fats 20% of 3000

get it???

i need you to watch the videos in the link i provided earlier... then post up a new detailed diet.. u need macros for this.. macros are pro/fat/cal/carb of every meal u have.. u can use this website to get pretty good macros.. fitday.com

ill be waiting on your response...

[jamyjamjr]

well some people are just skinny and thats one reason DOCTORS prescribe steroids to young men,, TO GAIN WEIGHT. I think we sometimes forget the whole purpose of what some of these hormones were created in the first place. Sometimes diet is not the key to weight gain. He could be anemic.

ummmmm......... we'll leave that to the doctors to decide...

until then, diet is always the suspect.........

[alpmaster]

Holy crap dude, I can't even imagine what you looked like at 6'/129lbs... You really, really need to eat. At your height and weight and the fact that you are most definately an ectomorph, I would just eat as much as you can right now from these foods:

Oatmeal
Chicken
Turkey
Tuna
Lean Beef
Fish
Whole grain breads and pastas
Nuts
And a good weight gainer post workout and in the morning

Really you don't need some specialized diet down to the gram for macros, you're body sounds famished heh. Go to the diet forum and we can help you out with a meal plan easily, but you better be prepared to EAT.

[jamyjamjr]

Holy crap dude, I can't even imagine what you looked like at 6'/129lbs... You really, really need to eat. At your height and weight and the fact that you are most definately an ectomorph, I would just eat as much as you can right now from these foods:
Oatmeal
Chicken
Turkey
Tuna
Lean Beef
Fish
Whole grain breads and pastas
Nuts
And a good weight gainer post workout and in the morning

Really you don't need some specialized diet down to the gram for macros, you're body sounds famished heh. Go to the diet forum and we can help you out with a meal plan easily, but you better be prepared to EAT.

and how much u think this guys really gonna eat without understanding macros and servings????

not to say ur givin bad advice, but his diet has to be detailed.. the fact that he's failed up till now calls for rigorus planing..

[alpmaster]

Don't take it seriously, of course we'll outline macros, what I was trying to get across is at that height and weight, he better be eating till he can't fit another spoon of oatmeal or chicken in his mouth haha.

[jamyjamjr]

Don't take it seriously, of course we'll outline macros, what I was trying to get across is at that height and weight, he better be eating till he can't fit another spoon of oatmeal or chicken in his mouth haha.

lol.. yea.. i can feel you there.... hopefuly he takes our advice... i'd love to turn him into an animal man...

[tsimmns92782]

gonna take the advice. And yeah the number was 2543 not 25543 multiplied by 1.55 I believe. Still working on a detailed diet. Gotta get all this macro stuff before I post. And I would love to be am animal man, I'm tired of this skinny shit.

[8iron]

just wanted to make a quick point, how do you think the military put 33 pounds on you going thru basic training, thats right exercise and diet, you should be able to do it again.........good luck Bro

[alpmaster]

just wanted to make a quick point, how do you think the military put 33 pounds on you going thru basic training, thats right exercise and diet, you should be able to do it again.........good luck Bro

Eh... My basic training consisted of long rigorous training, poor diet, few meals, and very very little rest.

I would say do everything the opposite of basic training, haha.

[jamyjamjr]

gonna take the advice. And yeah the number was 2543 not 25543 multiplied by 1.55 I believe. Still working on a detailed diet. Gotta get all this macro stuff before I post. And I would love to be am animal man, I'm tired of this skinny shit.

great to hear man!!! keep me posted..

[tsimmns92782]

So I'm thinking are boiled eggs ok

[tsimmns92782]

and going to try to post a pic of my skinny self for your guys criticism.

[tyward]

Hmm, well the basic training that I remember was a bunch of training AND a bunch of eating. LOL Of course that was a long time ago. I was much like you, 6' tall, 124lbs going in and 6' tall 160 coming out. I agree with the posts above, plus lift weights like a demon.

[tsimmns92782]

About the whole lifting what's your guys opinions on gaining. I've read important to do the big 5 in the one article. Bu high reps low weights or low reps high weight.

[DEE151]

So I am new to this whole gear thing but have actually considered it. I know my diet is not in check as it should be still trying to get that worked out. My training is probably above average as I have been working out off and on for six years. Reason I'm asking all this is I had a friend of mine do a cycle and gained about 25 lb. I'm 26 and currently 145 give or take 5 lbs. My bodyfat is around 8%. I know everyone says you should be around 180 naturally for my height but just wondering what the side effects would be of using the gear just like I am. I know this sound dumb and all but just wanting some advice from people that do these things or than my friend.

man your R skin and bones but u came to the right place to lern good luck and achieve what u want

[tsimmns92782]

About the whole lifting what's your guys opinions on gaining. I've read important to do the big 5 in the one article. Bu high reps low weights or low reps high weight.

[jamyjamjr]

wow.. we've got some work to do... post up a detailed diet with macros.. pro/fat/cal/carb

[tsimmns92782]

So here is meal 1 of the detailed diet. Taking a while because I'm not exactly sure of what all to pick from the fitday site.

Meal 1
6 egg whites 102.5 calories, 21.5g protein, 1.4g carbs, .34g fat
1 whole egg boiled, 77.2 calories, 6.3g protein, .56g carbs, 5.3g fat
2 cups of oatmeal, 606.8 calories, 26.3g protein, 103.4g carbs, 10.8 g fat
Glass of water

This breaks down into
786.5 calories/54.1g protein/105.36 carbs/16.44 fat. I would be

This meal would be at 6 am. My meal two would more than likely consist of a meal replacement powder seeing as how that is around my break time at work. But still figuring that out. Just wondering how you think this would break down for a morning meal. And by the way jamyjam man you said your 6ft 4 280 man if I ever make it to 220 I will personally write you and everyone else that has put up with helping me a thank you letter.

[tsimmns92782]

So I decided to go ahead and add this in as my second meal

Meal 2
Myoplex Meal Replacement Drink, 300 calories, 42g protein, 20g carbs, 7g fat

[tsimmns92782]

Here would be Meal 3

8 oz chicken breast either baked or grilled, 56.7g protein, 22g carbs, 22.4g fat, 530.7 calories,
1 Bananna, 1.3g protein, 27g carbs, .39g fat, 105 calories
This meal would equal 58g protein, 49g carbs, 22.7g fat, 635 calories

Brining my total through 3 meals to 1722.2 calories, 154.1g protein, 174.36g carbs, 46.14g fat.

Just curious to know your opinions so far on the breakdown of my meals and macros.

Also I am surprised to know that an 8oz skinless chicken breast grilled or baked would have this much fat in it.

[tsimmns92782]

Meal 4

2 cups cottage cheese, 366.5 cals, 54.3g protein, 11g carbs, 10.6g fat
8 oz orange juice, 95.3 cals, 1.4g protein, 22.9g carbs, .34g fat
Having this meal at 461.8 calories, 55.7g protein, 33.9g carbs, 10.94g fat

Bring me to 2184 calories, 209.8g protein, 208.26g carbs, 57.08g fat through 4 meals
Any criticism from you pros is needed and always appreciated….


Also jammyjam if you read this just curious, been reading up on London broil and what it is and how to prepare it and advice.

[jamyjamjr]

Meal 4

2 cups cottage cheese, 366.5 cals, 54.3g protein, 11g carbs, 10.6g fat
8 oz orange juice, 95.3 cals, 1.4g protein, 22.9g carbs, .34g fat
Having this meal at 461.8 calories, 55.7g protein, 33.9g carbs, 10.94g fat

Bring me to 2184 calories, 209.8g protein, 208.26g carbs, 57.08g fat through 4 meals
Any criticism from you pros is needed and always appreciated….


Also jammyjam if you read this just curious, been reading up on London broil and what it is and how to prepare it and advice.

it's great that you've started to look at your diet and your putting it together.. but PUT IT TOGETHER.. i want your whole diet with macros in ONE POST.. london broil can be tenderized in spices and olive oil, or, if your a lazy bastard, go buy the cold cut and eat it....

once you have your diet up, ill tweak it for you..

btw, thx for the pm.. always appreciated

[tsimmns92782]

Meal 1
9 egg whites -32.2g protein/2.2g carbs/.5g fat/153.8 cals
1 whole egg boiled-6.3g protein/.56g carbs/5.3g fat/77.2 cals
1 cup oats(more than likely quaker oats)-26.3g protein/103.4g carbs/10.8g fat/606.8 cals
Water to drink
64.8g protein/106.16g carbs/16.6g fat/837.8 cals

Meal 2
2 cans of 5.6oz star kist chunk light tuna in water-45g protein/0g carbs/5g fat/200 cals
1 medium sized raw banana-1.3g protein/27g carbs/.39g fat/105 cals
Water to drink
46.3g protein/27g carbs/5.39g fat/305 cals

Meal 3
8oz. chicken breast either grilled or baked-56.7g protein/22.2g carbs/22.4g fat/530.7 cals
1 banana-1.3g protein/27g carbs/.39g fat/105 cals
Water to drink
58g protein/49.2g carbs/22.79g fat/635.7 cals

Meal 4
2 cups cottage cheese-54.3g protein/11g carbs/10.6g fat/366.5 cals
8oz orange juice-1.4g protein/22.2g carbs/.34g fat/95.3 cals
55.7g protein/33.2g carbs/10.94g fat/461.8 cals

Meal 5 (pre workout meal)
2 scoops of ON whey protein mixed with water-48g protein/? Carbs/? Fat/? Calories

Meal 6 30 minutes after workout
2 scoops of ON whey protein mixed with water-48g protein/? Carbs/ ? fat/? Calories

Meal 7
8 oz. cooked lean ground beef-57.6g protein/0g carbs/34.4g fat/555.3 calories
2 cup of instant cooked brown rice-10.9g protein/96.6g carbs/3.8g fat/467.0 calories
Water to drink
68.5g protein/96.6g carbs/36.3g fat/788.8 calories


Total of all macros that I could calculate
388.8g protein/312.16g carbs/92.02g fat/3029.1 calories
Remember these calculations do not have the carbs, fat, and calories for the two shakes

So these are all my meals. Hope the macros are all correct, as yall can be the judge maybe if anything appears off. Also, one other question. Any way that I could just east this same meal plan every day, as any other variations might screw me over seeing as how my diet has always been a mess. I figure it would be best for me to stick to this 7 meal plan for a while to get the basics down. What’s your guys thoughts. Also, if you know the macros for the ON protein let me know as I couldn’t find the carbs , fat or calories.

[tsimmns92782]

Bump for the experts answers

[tsimmns92782]

Bump again. Jammy T-Mos or Phate or anyone else out there.

[tsimmns92782]

Bump...Any help?

[jamyjamjr]

Meal 1
9 egg whites -32.2g protein/2.2g carbs/.5g fat/153.8 cals
1 whole egg boiled-6.3g protein/.56g carbs/5.3g fat/77.2 cals
1 cup oats(more than likely quaker oats)-26.3g protein/103.4g carbs/10.8g fat/606.8 cals
Water to drink
64.8g protein/106.16g carbs/16.6g fat/837.8 cals
good
Meal 2
2 cans of 5.6oz star kist chunk light tuna in water-45g protein/0g carbs/5g fat/200 cals
1 medium sized raw banana-1.3g protein/27g carbs/.39g fat/105 calswhat color?? dont eat bananas that are starting to show brown on them
Water to drink
46.3g protein/27g carbs/5.39g fat/305 cals

Meal 3
8oz. chicken breast either grilled or baked-56.7g protein/22.2g carbs/22.4g fat/530.7 cals
1 banana-1.3g protein/27g carbs/.39g fat/105 cals how about brown rice or ezekiel bread???
Water to drink
58g protein/49.2g carbs/22.79g fat/635.7 cals

Meal 4
2 cups cottage cheese-54.3g protein/11g carbs/10.6g fat/366.5 cals
8oz orange juice-1.4g protein/22.2g carbs/.34g fat/95.3 cals insulin spike, omit
55.7g protein/33.2g carbs/10.94g fat/461.8 cals

Meal 5 (pre workout meal)
2 scoops of ON whey protein mixed with water-48g protein/? Carbs/? Fat/? Caloriesadd complex carb

Meal 6 30 minutes after workout
2 scoops of ON whey protein mixed with water-48g protein/? Carbs/ ? fat/? Caloriesadd semi-simple carb.. ie white bagel, rice, bread

Meal 7
8 oz. cooked lean ground beef-57.6g protein/0g carbs/34.4g fat/555.3 calories
2 cup of instant cooked brown rice-10.9g protein/96.6g carbs/3.8g fat/467.0 calories
Water to drinkomit carbs here, do efa instead.. u can add avocado, my fav or look into other monosats...
68.5g protein/96.6g carbs/36.3g fat/788.8 calories


Total of all macros that I could calculate
388.8g protein/312.16g carbs/92.02g fat/3029.1 calories
Remember these calculations do not have the carbs, fat, and calories for the two shakes

So these are all my meals. Hope the macros are all correct, as yall can be the judge maybe if anything appears off. Also, one other question. Any way that I could just east this same meal plan every day, as any other variations might screw me over seeing as how my diet has always been a mess. I figure it would be best for me to stick to this 7 meal plan for a while to get the basics down. What’s your guys thoughts. Also, if you know the macros for the ON protein let me know as I couldn’t find the carbs , fat or calories.

sorry about the late response.. im in finals right now..