Lean Cycle help

[dbyrneryan]

This is my first post in ages, was gonna do an oral cylcle when i first singed up to this site, but bought a book and learned...

Diet is spot on now, and training is correct too...

This is the cycle im gonna go for before the summer gets going... Depending on what feedback i get...

Week 1 - 10 : Boldenone Undeclynate 200mg EW
Week 2 - 11 : Priviron 50mg ED
Week 3 - 10 : Winstrol 20mg ED

Week 12 - 14 : 5000IU HCG spaced 5 days a part
Week 12 - 14 : Clomid 100mg ED
Week 12 - 16 : Nolvadex 20mg ED

Goals are low water retaintion, lean gain...

First question is, whats the feedback on the cycle?

Second question is, when to start PCT as Boldenone Undeclynate has a two week active life?

[jamyjamjr]

where's the test??


age
weight
height
bf

[dbyrneryan]

Didnt think i needed Test, just going from what i read in Anabolics 2006...

22 (23 in a few weeks)
5 10
165 - 170 (I change every day)
BF sub 10% (dont know exact figure)

Training expeirence : 4 years (Last year have been committed)

[richtries]

200mg every week of bold will do **** all for you apart from probably ruining your sex life, the winstrol dose is also way too low, which is in contrast to the hcg dosing, 5000IU! More research bro, and I would forget the book.

[dbyrneryan]

5000IU because id like my nuts back to normal afterwards lol...

Im a firm believer that more is not nessacerly better... So thats why the dose are low, im not a bodybuilder, and dont plan on competeing...

[richtries]

Reversal of testicular atrophy can be achieved with 250IU ed during pct, most people use it during cycle though, and injecting 5000IU at once is likely to cause an increase in estrogen levels and subsequent side effects . . . . .

I´m also a believer of more is not necessarily better but all those doses will do is shut down your hpta so you wont have any testosterone in your body . . . the hormone which is responsible for making us men, you can probably see why this may be a problem.

[hrdgainer]

my question is also why are you running both clo and nolva? You dont need both and this cycle without some form of test will def screw you up. hcg is also wrong dosage. there are a couple ways you could run it. i suggest you research a little more. hcg is either with cycle at the last three weeks then bridged with serms or hcg for first two weeks of pct then serms. but your not running any test so i guess that wont matter anyway. get some test in there and research a little more bro.

[dbyrneryan]

Ah i said, just getting all this outta a book... Em, So should i drop the Boldenone Undeclynate, and run test E at 500mg EW? Or add test E at 250mg EW?

Im using both Nolva and Clomid beacuse they work in different ways, its just something i read in MD.

Cheers for the advince on HCG, what i read wasnt spicefic, but sure thats why im asking, doing the research...

[alextg]

If you dont add test in your cycle , you're f&(*$ ... 250mg test en/wk would b ok for your test levels to be up ... and both winstrol and eq are very low dosages ... better start reading before you plan a cycle , and i dont mean read some crapy books ... you're here , in the best forum to give you knowledge ... read and you'll learn
Good luck

[dbyrneryan]

Cheers for all the feedback, I dont really wanna add too much test to my cylce, just mainly because of the water retention... How would you dose a cycle including Boldenone Undeclynate and Test E?

Remember too im 170lbs and probably wont need high amounts for good gains.

[richtries]

I would recommend the following;

Test e 350mg/wk 13 weeks
Eq (bold) 600mg/wk 12 weeks

If your concerned about water retention run adex through your cycle and keep sodium intake to a minimum.

[british bulldog 1]

you need test !!!!!!

[dbyrneryan]

What dosage would adex be taken at?

thanks

[BigIce]

Reversal of testicular atrophy can be achieved with 250IU ed during pct

No that don´t sound right.

Use HCG during the cycle BUT NOT DURING PCT

[J-Dogg]

That's a really bad book, lol I'd return it.

EQ is pretty mild, and to be honest, it's hard to run with a cutting cycle. A lot of people think it's a myth, but EQ does I promise, make you very hungry.

I'm about done with 14 weeks of eq, 600mgs a week.

The reason the guys say run test with it, EQ will shut you down, you'll want to run a low dose (or mid range) of test to replace your natural test, or you won't have a sex life and the test is only going to help.

You'll need more winny than that though.....unless you are planning this cycle for your cat, the dosages are off.

My current cycle i'm finishing is very similar to yours you are planning though:

1-14 EQ 600mgs week
6-16 Test E 300mgs week
6-14 t-bol 80mgs daily (2 times, 40mgs)

12-16 HCG every 3rd day, 250 UIs
12-18 Nova, 40mgs daily (i don't take chances).

If I could change one thing, I would have ran 500mgs of test, through the entire cycle. If I'm going to be shut down....why not.

I've put on over 20lbs and I'm down body fat. I've noticed when I was in the "bulk" phase of it, eating bad, the test E did bloat me pretty good. When I started to cardio good, on worked the diet around, I'm lean and mean now, no water holding.

I don't think you bloat much when you enter single digit body fat.

If you want a real cut cycle, I'd run a similar cycle but run:

Test Prop
Mast or Primo
Anavar or winny

[LATS60]

This is my first post in ages, was gonna do an oral cylcle when i first singed up to this site, but bought a book and learned...

Diet is spot on now, and training is correct too...

This is the cycle im gonna go for before the summer gets going... Depending on what feedback i get...

Week 1 - 10 : Boldenone Undeclynate 200mg EW
Week 2 - 11 : Priviron 50mg ED
Week 3 - 10 : Winstrol 20mg ED

Week 12 - 14 : 5000IU HCG spaced 5 days a part
Week 12 - 14 : Clomid 100mg ED
Week 12 - 16 : Nolvadex 20mg ED

Goals are low water retaintion, lean gain...

First question is, whats the feedback on the cycle?

Second question is, when to start PCT as Boldenone Undeclynate has a two week active life?

Test e/cyp 500mg wk 10-12 wks adex on hand for estrogen/gyno control.
PCT.
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
HCG if you feel the need 500iu 2-3 times per wk from wk 8 -12, PCT starts 2wks after last test shot.
KISS.

[dbyrneryan]

That's a really bad book, lol I'd return it.

EQ is pretty mild, and to be honest, it's hard to run with a cutting cycle. A lot of people think it's a myth, but EQ does I promise, make you very hungry.

I'm about done with 14 weeks of eq, 600mgs a week.

The reason the guys say run test with it, EQ will shut you down, you'll want to run a low dose (or mid range) of test to replace your natural test, or you won't have a sex life and the test is only going to help.

You'll need more winny than that though.....unless you are planning this cycle for your cat, the dosages are off.

My current cycle i'm finishing is very similar to yours you are planning though:

1-14 EQ 600mgs week
6-16 Test E 300mgs week
6-14 t-bol 80mgs daily (2 times, 40mgs)

12-16 HCG every 3rd day, 250 UIs
12-18 Nova, 40mgs daily (i don't take chances).

If I could change one thing, I would have ran 500mgs of test, through the entire cycle. If I'm going to be shut down....why not.

I've put on over 20lbs and I'm down body fat. I've noticed when I was in the "bulk" phase of it, eating bad, the test E did bloat me pretty good. When I started to cardio good, on worked the diet around, I'm lean and mean now, no water holding.

I don't think you bloat much when you enter single digit body fat.

If you want a real cut cycle, I'd run a similar cycle but run:

Test Prop
Mast or Primo
Anavar or winny

Thats the most detailed reply yet, cheers a million man...

Ha the book i got was Anabolics 2006 by William Llewellyn...