1st Cycle Need Some Help

[JG8]

I have decided to take the leap and start my 1st cycle. I have been trying to read as much as I can on this site for the past week but I think I'm on information overload. So any help getting started would be great. Here's my stats and a brief history.
27
6'3
230
B/F-17-22%-That's a guess

I played baseball in college. After returning home from college(injury) I put on 65 lbs overnight. In the past 3 years I have worked very hard to lose that 65(Body for Life program). I have been working out 6 days a week for the past 2 years. My weight goes between 225-235 depends on how clean I eat. I can post my diet if need, still 6 meals a day.

My goal(probably most) is to gain lean mass and get cut. I would like to get my B/F around 8-12 range. Also keep my weight around 215-220.

Now in saying all that any advice on what the best cycle would be? Keep in mind I started learning all of this information last week.

Thanks in advance.

JG

[CHUCKYthentic]

17-22% is a pretty wide range... 15-16% is what you need to get down to at minimum before you cycle

1st cycle should be test enanthate or test cypionate for 12 weeks

research and get some info on that and read as much as you can on PCT, SERM's and AI's

[TheReturn]

17-22% is a wide range. You should have it tested.

Next question I have is why is your goal 8-12%? Is it a realistic sustainable goal for you. (Notice I said sustainable and not attainable) If you gained 65lbs 'overnight', anything below 10% for a long period of time may be tough due to your metabolic rate. (Ecto, Endo)

Last question is: What type of injury did you suffer while playing ball? Does that area still bother you at times?

[TheReturn]

15-16% is what you need to get down to at minimum before you cycle

I have to respectfully disagree.

[CHUCKYthentic]

thats alright, many see different on the bf% issue

IMO if you re experience AAS user, you know what you re doing and can handle it. otherwise, the side effects will out way the benefits and you will not see the results you should...

so do you think it should be lower, or can be higher to cycle?

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

you researched for a WHOLE week??? Wow, i understand why you are overloaded !!!

I think researching anything UNDER a YEAR is not ready to cycle yet!! Not trying to be a dick here, but these guys can say DO TEST, but there is SO Much more you need to be aware of and ready for before you EVER start on this path

1. Getting your bodyfat in check and tested ( as suggested) the higher the bodyfat %, the MORE risks you have of estrogen sides like GYNO, and other health risks

2. There is what kind and how much you will be taking

3. There are ancillaries that you need to know , understand, and have for use DURING the cycle

4. There are PCT compounds that you need to know, understand, and have on hand for AFTER your cylce to prevent sides and to help keep gains.

here you go, start here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[TheReturn]

I may have been to quick on the disagreement bro.

Everyone's opinion and goals vary. That being said looking at his goals of gain lean mass and get cut.......he should definately be in the mid teens before cutting. If he is looking for mass......I say let it rip.

I just wouldn't pidgeon hole everyone in a certain BF% prior to cycling. Powerlifters, etc, etc...as an example, could care less most of the time.

[CHUCKYthentic]

ya for sure the bf% thing is very dependant...

to the OP, T MOS brings up some great points. do TONS ANS TONS of research there is SOOOO much to learn. i have learned an unexplainable amount the past year from this place, before i joined too!

[JG8]

17-22% is a wide range. You should have it tested.

Next question I have is why is your goal 8-12%? Is it a realistic sustainable goal for you. (Notice I said sustainable and not attainable) If you gained 65lbs 'overnight', anything below 10% for a long period of time may be tough due to your metabolic rate. (Ecto, Endo)

Last question is: What type of injury did you suffer while playing ball? Does that area still bother you at times?

Last my BF was checked I was at 17%. That was 5 months ago. I have put on 5-7 lbs since then lifting more less cardio. I hit an extra 2...Should have been 17-20%.

I gained 30 in about 4-5 months and then pretty steady weight gain for the next couple of years( I said 65 cause to me it felt overnight before I noticed). Went from working out everyday to nothing. Plus got a desk job and the story goes from there.

Shoulder injury in college. I was a pitcher only bothers me if I throw.

[T-MOS]

I may have been to quick on the disagreement bro.

Everyone's opinion and goals vary. That being said looking at his goals of gain lean mass and get cut.......he should definately be in the mid teens before cutting. If he is looking for mass......I say let it rip.

I just wouldn't pidgeon hole everyone in a certain BF% prior to cycling. Powerlifters, etc, etc...as an example, could care less most of the time.

also please keep in mind WHOM we are giving advice to. Most of them are newbies, not experienced users.

It is always best to give them the safest advice for them so that they have LESS issues during a cycle to contend with.

What you or I may do on a cycle may be far different as we may be more experienced and KNOW how our bodies react to these compounds and know how to handle the adverse effects we might get,

whereas a Newbie probably has NO clue during his cycle, what is causing what so the less they have to deal with , the better they will learn for future cycles, SO , please always lean to the side of safety and caution when giving advice

So, I would say his bodyfat SHOULD be lower than 15% before he starts any cycle so as not to risk MORE issues then he needs to deal with

THANKS

[vpchill]

^^^ T-mos Knows his stuff!!!

[JG8]

Welcome to AR

you researched for a WHOLE week??? Wow, i understand why you are overloaded !!!

I think researching anything UNDER a YEAR is not ready to cycle yet!! Not trying to be a dick here, but these guys can say DO TEST, but there is SO Much more you need to be aware of and ready for before you EVER start on this path

1. Getting your bodyfat in check and tested ( as suggested) the higher the bodyfat %, the MORE risks you have of estrogen sides like GYNO, and other health risks

2. There is what kind and how much you will be taking

3. There are ancillaries that you need to know , understand, and have for use DURING the cycle

4. There are PCT compounds that you need to know, understand, and have on hand for AFTER your cylce to prevent sides and to help keep gains.

here you go, start here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Thanks. I have read through most of that information. Still trying to get a handle on it. Of course I will do some more reseach before I start. I just wanted a starting point on a cycle that would fit my goals. But items number 2-4 have me pretty much lost. Crawl before I walk.

[TheReturn]

My .02

I agree that a week is not enough research to take the 'plunge'. Hang around read, research. Build a cycle based on what you have learned and have other help tweek it for you. Based on what you stated your goals are I would look into the following:

Test: Sust, Cyp, Prop
EQ, Anavar, T3, among others. Also, do plenty of research on your PCT and Anti e's as well.
**I am not saying you use all of these compounds in your first cycle**

It's your body and you only get one. You should fully understand any foreign substance you are puting in it.

Best of Luck.

[T-MOS]

the link I gave you is a GREAT place to start

First cycles should be kept to ONE COMPOUND preferable a single long ester Testosterone like Test Enanthae, or Test Cypionate

that link will cover almost all you need to know and understand

[TheReturn]

also please keep in mind WHOM we are giving advice to. Most of them are newbies, not experienced users.

It is always best to give them the safest advice for them so that they have LESS issues during a cycle to contend with.

What you or I may do on a cycle may be far different as we may be more experienced and KNOW how our bodies react to these compounds and know how to handle the adverse effects we might get,

whereas a Newbie probably has NO clue during his cycle, what is causing what so the less they have to deal with , the better they will learn for future cycles, SO , please always lean to the side of safety and caution when giving advice

So, I would say his bodyfat SHOULD be lower than 15% before he starts any cycle so as not to risk MORE issues then he needs to deal with

THANKS

Understand your point T.
Like I said I was probably to quick on the disagreement. Additionally, I initially missed the one week of research.

[JG8]

My .02

I agree that a week is not enough research to take the 'plunge'. Hang around read, research. Build a cycle based on what you have learned and have other help tweek it for you. Based on what you stated your goals are I would look into the following:

Test: Sust, Cyp, Prop
EQ, Anavar, T3, among others. Also, do plenty of research on your PCT and Anti e's as well.

It's your body and you only get one. You should fully understand anything foreign substance you are puting in it.

Best of Luck.

Thanks for the advice. I will keep doing research and post questions as I go.

[T-MOS]

Thanks for the advice. I will keep doing research and post questions as I go.

sounds great, looking forward to helping you out anyway we can !!!

[Phate]

Thanks for the advice. I will keep doing research and post questions as I go.

i think you should post a detailed diet while you're at it

[Jfew44]

i think you should post a detailed diet while you're at it

Got diet?

[Jfew44]

At 6'3" 230lbs you have a good base, but that bf% is too high. Work on the diet and get your bodyfat down to around 13%. Phate is one of the most knowledgable on the topic so listen to him. While you're doing that, do some research on beginner cycles, pct, ai's, ect.

[JG8]

i think you should post a detailed diet while you're at it

Here's yesterday:
Meal 1: 4 Egg Whites
1/2 Cup of Oatmeal
Meal 2: MM Lite Apple
Meal 3: 1 Chicken Breast Grilled
1 Cup Brown Rice
Meal 4: MM Lite Apple

Meal 5:1-Turkey Burger
Sweet Potato
Grilled Veggies
Meal 6: Synthia 6

Meal 5 is usually where the problems happen. For the most part that is what I follow.

[Phate]

Here's yesterday:
Meal 1: 4 Egg Whites
1/2 Cup of Oatmeal
not enough protein
Meal 2: MM Lite Apple
do you mean muscle milk? i hope not
Meal 3: 1 Chicken Breast Grilled
1 Cup Brown Rice
not bad, depending on goals and TDEE this could be tweeked
Meal 4: MM Lite Apple
same as 2
Meal 5:1-Turkey Burger
Sweet Potato
Grilled Veggies
great meal depending on stats for turkey burger and amount of sweet potato
Meal 6: Synthia 6
is this PWO, what are the stats on it?
Meal 5 is usally where the problems happen. For the most part that is what I follow.

could use a good bit of work, nutrient timing, macro ratios and overall food choices could use some work, i can't see the amounts so i'll hold judgement on that, go post over in the diet section and we'll help you out