Clen/Var

**NathanSummers** · 04-22-2009, 10:06 PM

Thinking of running a cycle of clen 6 weeks on and Anavar 20mg oral/day 8 weeks

Sounds like a good idea, i want to get my bf% down, what sound i take to help my liver with the oral var?

RA · 04-22-2009, 10:08 PM

20 is way low. Do more research.

Originally Posted by NathanSummers

Thinking of running a cycle of clen 6 weeks on and Anavar 20mg oral/day 8 weeks

Sounds like a good idea, i want to get my bf% down, what sound i take to help my liver with the oral var?

**NathanSummers** · 04-22-2009, 10:11 PM

What would be a better dosage?

**Phate** · 04-22-2009, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by RA

20 is way low. Do more research.

agreed^^^

Avavar FAQ
Written by XBiker
Anavar FAQ - A great read.

and liv52 is a good liver protectant

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 10:12 PM

IMO nothing less than 50mg, then again i personally owunldnt run var alone, although some peop do

what is your bf%?

RA · 04-22-2009, 10:14 PM

As a point Ive never posted a cycle and asked it was good. Ive always read read read and went over and over the profiles of each drug, defined my goals, then come up with the aas that would achieve that. I just point this out because I think more people should do the same.

No flame nathan.

**NathanSummers** · 04-22-2009, 10:25 PM

Right now my bodyfat is around 20% and i want to get it down to 14 or 13. I did some research and found you could run anavar by itself and knowing the effects of anavar figured it could help with the situation. Then i did more research and saw people running var and clen together to cut.

I know some people are gonna say diet and cardio is the way to go but i alredy do 3 cardio sessions a day; right when i wake up, after workout, and boxing, and i have a real good diet.

I have trouble losing weight because im on anti depress. and they screw with my metobolism big time.

I wanted real life opinions

**eckstg** · 04-22-2009, 10:37 PM

Im thinking with the goal to lower bf% youd probaly be happy with just the results of the clen alone and save alot of money dropping the var.Maybe check your results of the 6 week cycle of clen alone and save the extra money for var to use in future on a more complete aas cycle to get better results.At that dose on var seems most here say you wouldnt get hardly anything from it but i know in the profile it reads its great at such low doses to lower bf% and gain lots lean mass.

But clen alone suppose to be nicely catabolic and awesome for fat loss and you may be very happy with it alone and not with the little extra that dose of var adds to equation.

If im way off anyone please say and forgive me.

**dynamitekid** · 04-22-2009, 10:50 PM

is this your first time using var?

from what i've gathered, 40mg a day should be fine for a first timer and it might not attack the libido as bad.

take test or if you don't want to poke try proviron to help with libido. i haven't tried var yet, but i know that a decrease in libido will come after a few weeks of use.

also, do 1 week on/ one week off clen .

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by dynamitekid

is this your first time using var?

from what i've gathered, 40mg a day should be fine for a first timer and it might not attack the libido as bad.

take test or if you don't want to poke try proviron to help with libido. i haven't tried var yet, but i know that a decrease in libido will come after a few weeks of use.

also, do 1 week on/ one week off clen.

HORRIBLE ADVICE!!!

first off leave the var alone for now

dont even think about cycling right now like he said (in reference to his test suggestion), you bf% is too high... i dont know whats goin on in your personal life that is your business, but do not use AAS while on anit depressants JMO

i still think diet and cardio can get u what u want, itll jus take time

if anything, clen is what id recommend

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 11:01 PM

by the way, 1 week on 1 week off is garbage too

dynamite, dont take this wrong, butdont give advice when you dont know what you re talking about. you could cause some damage to someone

**dynamitekid** · 04-22-2009, 11:07 PM

sorry dude, i didn't see how high his bf was or that he was on anti depressants. my bad.
definitely don't do anything in that case, even clen . do some old fashioned cardio

i don't think 1 week on 1 off clen is garbage. i've done it and it was definitely effective. what would you suggest? 2 weeks on 2 off? this issue is debated so much it's ridiculous.

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 11:11 PM

cool man, i wasnt tryin to be a d^ck... my bad if i came off harsh

well 2 weeks on 2 weeks is def a protocol people follow. id prefer staying on as long as i could, say 6 weeks, and use benadryl every 14th day for 7 days in order to get the receptors back

but yes you are very correct, this subject is debated A LOT

**dynamitekid** · 04-22-2009, 11:15 PM

yeah, i was reading some crazy stuff about benadryl actually doing nothing.
i guess if i use clen again i will just use some keto...not much more of an expense ya know.

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 11:17 PM

for sure

im surprised 1 week on 1 week off was effective for you, must have had a good cardio routine. what dose did you taper up to?

**Phate** · 04-22-2009, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by dynamitekid

yeah, i was reading some crazy stuff about benadryl actually doing nothing.
i guess if i use clen again i will just use some keto...not much more of an expense ya know.

you mean ronnie's post about the BS "methylation of phospholipids" thing, lol

**eckstg** · 04-22-2009, 11:22 PM

In this articule Clenbuterol handbook it shows to use clen for 2week cycle.Whats your opinions on this cycle with clen? Also
on day 17 it shows ECA/ NYC stack .What does the nyc stand for?
Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

**Phate** · 04-22-2009, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by eckstg

In this articule Clenbuterol handbook it shows to use clen for 2week cycle.Whats your opinions on this cycle with clen? Also
on day 17 it shows ECA/ NYC stack .What does the nyc stand for?
Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

that article is outdated, ECA stacks hit the same receptors as clen so running them back to back is counterproductive

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 11:27 PM

just about to say that phate

heres a good read:
Clen Faq. You better like it it took me ages.

**NathanSummers** · 04-22-2009, 11:30 PM

I'm weening myself off the anti-depressents for now, i don't feel i mentally need them anymore, its just if i was to cold turkey it the withdrawl would put me down for a few days.

What helps clens effectiveness?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 04-22-2009, 11:32 PM

thats good

what do you mean by effectivness?
you will get optimal benefits if your diet and cardio regimine is on point

**dynamitekid** · 04-22-2009, 11:34 PM

i tapered up to 140 mcg a day. it left me jittery as hell but yeah, i was a cardio monster.

**dynamitekid** · 04-22-2009, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

you mean ronnie's post about the BS "methylation of phospholipids" thing, lol

haha yes

**eckstg** · 04-22-2009, 11:45 PM

read somewhere that the eca stack raises metabolism by 2=3 % clen by 10% and dnp 30%.Was thinking of trying the dnp at the 200mg day dose over 20 days and see what results i get.Seems about all post of ppl tried dnp absolutly loved the results they got.But i am curious if it causes you to lose muscle as much as the fat or do most keep the mass and just burn the fat?

Im also cautious of the heat youll have to deal with 24/7 since it raises bodytemp by 3 degrees is this correct?I just plan to drink 3 gallon water a day with my 200mg dnp day.But i also plan to be using 350mg tren ace a week along with 350mg test prop a week.

**scerpico22** · 04-23-2009, 12:12 AM

just came off of my first var cycle myself...

very low does of 30mg ED for 9 weeks with HGH 4iu ED (still on the HGH)

sides:
stomach was rocked for at least 6 weeks - always had the shits, while eating super clean
good cholesterol (HDL) waaaaaaay high
bad cholesterol (LDL) waaaaaaay low
blood pressure through the roof 180/70 for four weeks - severe headaches
as far as libido never really felt a difference

currently week 3 of PCT clomid 25 ED...feeling much better...

this is my third cycle...first with anavar and probably my last..

proves just have to find what works for you...
just my experience...