2nd Cycle - Quick Critique Please

[LexusIS09]

Me and my twin brother are going to both be running our 2nd cycles this summer. We are 23 years old, and cycled about 6 months ago.

Cycle History:
- (mine) = test-enan @ 600mg EW (inject twice) - 12 weeks
- (brother's) = sustanon @ 525mg EOD / d-bol 30mg ED - 10 weeks / 4 weeks

We both ran a PCT, nolva and clomid, and recovered fine. (blood tests came back)

Anyways, these are the proposed cycle:

Test-Enan (weeks 1 - 15) 600mg
Test-Prop (weeks 1 - 5) 150mg EOD
Deca (weeks 1 - 14) 500mg

Any suggestions? I think it looks pretty good myself.

I know some people might think it's a little heavy for a 2nd cycle.. but were fine with the injections from prop, and can deal with the pain. We got the deca for a good price, so might as well throw it in there.

Stats:
weight = 196
height = 6'1
bf% = 9.25%

I don't know my brothers stats exactly, but were identical twins.. so just assume he is virtually identical to me, give or take 5 pounds maybe.

Thanks in advance

[Bigmax]

looks good bro...whats for PCT???..

[LexusIS09]

looks good bro...whats for PCT???..

thanks man. PCT is just the standard... nolvadex (40/40/20/20) and clomid (100/100/50/50)..

We're trying to find some HCG as well... we want to run it during the cycle.. but it's kinda hard to find where i'm from.. so we'll have to see how that goes..

To be honest, I might reduce the clomid amount though to (75/75/50/50)... I was getting some pretty weird sides from it on my last PCT... I was all like.. emotional.. and crying for no reason sometimes. lol... I know it sounds ridiculous, but I felt like a woman

Also.. I forgot to mention I managed to keep about 50% of my gains from the last cycle... and the last 6 months I've been cutting down from 12% bf to 9% to prepare for this bulker.

[LexusIS09]

bump... any other suggestions?

[WARMachine]

Looks good!

Kudos for being one of the few people who actually research their cycles and PCTs.

My hats off to you guys.

Only issue i see is you should be pinning Prop ED. EOD is okay, ED is optimal.

Also might wanna consider lowering the Prop dose. If you do ED, do 50mgs, or 100mgs EOD.

Other than that, looks fantastic!

[LexusIS09]

Looks good!

Kudos for being one of the few people who actually research their cycles and PCTs.

My hats off to you guys.

Only issue i see is you should be pinning Prop ED. EOD is okay, ED is optimal.

Also might wanna consider lowering the Prop dose. If you do ED, do 50mgs, or 100mgs EOD.

Other than that, looks fantastic!

Thanks. I've heard we should be shooting the prop each day... but honestly I just don't think I'm up for it. My friend does 125mg EOD and managed with the pain. I didn't get any soreness whatsoever from the enanthane so I'm banking on the fact that my body absorbs it easily or something :P haha.

[T-MOS]

looks fine to me as well

if i missed it, what are your goals for this cycle??

[LexusIS09]

looks fine to me as well

if i missed it, what are your goals for this cycle??

The goal is for my weight to climax at around 215-220. I'm hoping to retain at least 205 post cycle. But yah, lean muscle growth is what I'm going for, I'd like to have a clean bulk, with as little increase to overall BF% as possible.

[LexusIS09]

I've actually got a question...

does anyone know the max amount of gear you can inject? sorry if this is a repeat question I tried to do the "search" but it didn't come up with much.

I.E. how much gear to the delts, glutes, thighs, and traps?

Me and my brother injected 2.5mL into our delts yesterday.. and honestly it was HUGE. lol.. I've never had such a long injection in my life.. the needle was probably in me for 5 minutes, since I was trying to do it slowly, so absorption would happen.

(the problem is that our enanthane is only 200mg/mL this time... low dose, we weren't very happy... and the deca is 300mg/mL... so we have to shoot 1.5mL of test & 1mL of deca twice a week).... do you guys think that I should just shoot the test into my delt.. and the deca into another spot that same night?

[T-MOS]

depends on the muscle

larger groups like glutes and quads, can take more, like 3-4 ml

smaller groups you want to try to keep it under 3 ml if you can

you will FEEL it if you put too much in there

[LexusIS09]

depends on the muscle

larger groups like glutes and quads, can take more, like 3-4 ml

smaller groups you want to try to keep it under 3 ml if you can

you will FEEL it if you put too much in there

k perfect. thanks a lot man!

yesterday was a bit odd.. after I injected the 2.5mL I started to feel a little lightheaded.. and like woozy... but I'm pretty sure it was just nerves for my first injection, because my brother aspirated the needle, and I know we didn't hit a vein / nerve.

[LexusIS09]

8 days into the cycle, and definitely feeling stronger. I'd assume it's just from the prop.

I was wondering though.. when does deca start working?!

oh and also.. i heard that deca is pretty bad for thinner / balding... is that true?? (and yes I realize that all steroids will make you shed hair and speed up BPB.. yadda yadda ) lol.

[T-MOS]

Deca can take 4-6 weeks to fully kick in

[PeakPhysique001]

Havn't cycle'd yet but this looks good Hope it goes well..