Anavar or proviron?

[fleckaveli]

I'm interested in ur guys input on what to stack with with my test deca cycle.
I was gonna go with anavar or proviron .
could somebody weigh in on this, as im looking for a fat burning oral that will produce good strength gains.

[fleckaveli]

can anyone help with this?

[bcbrett]

I am currently cycling test and anavar (50mg ed) and haven't noticed much from the anavar. I don't have any knowledge in proviron . If your going to use anavar i feel 70-80 mg ed would be needed for good results.

[johnnybigguns]

No steriod actually burns fat.
That is all based on diet.
What is your age/weight/height/bf%/cycle history.
Proviron also isn't a steriod

[R69]

No steriod actually burns fat.
That is all based on diet.
What is your age/weight/height/bf%/cycle history.
Proviron also isn't a steriod

Well, provirone its a steroid but its not anabolic .

[JiGGaMaN]

i would try the proviron and anavar ?

[james21]

proviron to keep sides down and your dick up ..anavar to keep you a little more lean

[Dobie-BOY]

Fat cells also have androgen receptors and steroids DO burn fat. Some better than others.

[Dobie-BOY]

Fat cells also have androgen receptors and steroids DO burn fat. Some better than others.

[LATS60]

No steriod actually burns fat.
That is all based on diet.
What is your age/weight/height/bf%/cycle history.
Proviron also isn't a steriod

Proviron is a steroid , it's a mild DHT derived androgen.

Fat cells also have androgen receptors and steroids DO burn fat. Some better than others.

Steroids can reduce subcutaneous fat indirectly.

[Dobie-BOY]

Proviron is a steroid , it's a mild DHT derived androgen.



Steroids can reduce subcutaneous fat indirectly.

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

This and most of the steroid profiles say that steroids do result in fat loss.

[higherdesire]

I am not sure that 'burning fat' is the right terminology but steriods absolutley result in fat loss.

[LATS60]

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

This and most of the steroid profiles say that steroids do result in fat loss.

Steroids can reduce sub Q fat indirectly.

[BG]

Fat cells also have androgen receptors and steroids DO burn fat. Some better than others.

Exactly the amount of fat they burn all depends on how well they bind.

[LATS60]

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

This and most of the steroid profiles say that steroids do result in fat loss.

Exactly the amount of fat they burn all depends on how well they bind.

Can either of you post any clinical/medical study link for these statements?
Also this is far to general. Dobie, you say fat cells have androgen receptors, are you refering to all fat cells or specific fat cells?
Now i'm not sure if you aware that there have been no clinical studies.
To date, no studies have examined the possible presence of androgen receptors (AR) in human adipocytes and preadipocytes.
Simply we don't know if there are AR in these two types of body fat that are relevant to us.
So i will say it again, Steroids may burn fat indirectly.

[BG]

I have to run out, but if your still around tonite Ill look some more...
Fat Cell Androgen Receptors

Because fat cells are richly endowed with androgen receptors, adipose tissue is a target of testosterone . The very first action of that sex hormone is to increase the density of the beta adrenergic receptors, the only receptors that can promote fat release from the adipose tissue. They're activated by epinephrine and norepinephrine, two hormones that are categorized as catecholamines. So, even if testosterone binds directly to your adipose cells, it will promote fat mobilization indirectly.

When you increase the number of beta receptors, it takes far less epinephrine or norepinephrine to promote hpolysis, or fat burning. ln other words, androstenedione increases the fat sensitivity to the two direct lipolytic hormones, and that's especially true because some of the androstenedione in the blood is transformed into testosterone inside the adipose tissue.

The sensitizing property of testosterone is greatly reinforced by the presence of growth hormone . There's a clear synergy between androgens and GM in upregulating the lipolytic beta receptors. Since testosterone itself can trigger the release of GM, you can appreciate how great that synergy is. Testosterone and GH have the same synergistic actions in promoting muscle anabolism, By acting on fat cells, testosterone can also inhibit fat uptake, which reduces the likelihood of adipose storage. So androgens not only promote fat release, but they also prevent the entry of new fat.

Those two effects are reinforced by the testosterone-driven initiation of fat oxidation. Structures called mitochondria are found inside cells such as the ones in your muscles or liver. The mitochondria are the parts of the cells where fat is transformed into energy Testosterone-binding sites have been identified on the mitochondria, and once activated by androgens, they accelerate the entry of fat molecules into the mitochondria.

The rate of entry is the limiting factor that determines how much fat a single mitochondrion can burn. The higher the rate of entry, the more fat you're going to lose. That acceleration of fat oxidation by androgens is very useful, especially as you try to get very lean, and it's the reason that highly androgenic drugs are so popular with competitors who are cutting up for a contest, even though they have no anabolic properties. The more androgenic the drug, the more fat will be imported into the mitochondria for oxidation.

So testosterone promotes both fat mobilization and oxidation while preventing the entry of new fat molecules into your adipose tissue.

[LATS60]

Medical references to this article please.
The one i quoted from elsevier must be outdated if we now know there are AR receptors in adipose and preadipose.

[JiGGaMaN]

Can either of you post any clinical/medical study link for these statements?

almost every study you can find done on test or any other androgens usually point to a mean fat loss. i dont think i can find any that dont.