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04-25-2009, 04:19 PM #41
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post the picture again, i've got to see you with "5%" bf, i know you don't have it, but i want to see what you think that is, how do i know you don't have it, because unless you've been contest prepping for the last few months you won't get down to that, the body just can't maintain that on a day to day basis, 8-9% yeah, but not 5
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04-25-2009, 04:19 PM #42
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I know what water weight is, because I've been competing in mixed martial arts for the past 4 years, and I can cut 15 lbs of water when dehydrating. But it's not healthy, and i need something else to help me loss water retention without dehydrating. Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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04-25-2009, 04:20 PM #43
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16% body fat 1st pic
5% body fat 2nd pic
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04-25-2009, 04:21 PM #44
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^ Oh god now you fight too?
Bro, youre killing me.
Why dont we just look over your diet for now huh?
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04-25-2009, 04:24 PM #45
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x2... Originally Posted by WARMachine
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04-25-2009, 04:25 PM #46
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x3^^ Originally Posted by WARMachine
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04-25-2009, 04:27 PM #47
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Please tell me what your point is? Are you gonna feel better if you seemed to prove that I calculated it wrong? I explained how I calculated it before, it's that not the correct way, then it's not? Can we get back to the topic please? Originally Posted by Phate
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04-25-2009, 04:29 PM #48
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Alright look. im not the only one whos patience is wearing thin.
Post up the diet!
Include macros, and the weight of the food in this format.
MEAL 1
8 egg whites.
80grams of Oats
MEAL 2
6oz of Chicken breast
4oz of mixed veggies
etc...
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04-25-2009, 04:30 PM #49
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i dont think u know who your talking to bro.. Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
phate is one of the head guys here for dieting, right under nark and nova...
we need correct info to steer u in the right direction... if your gonna act like a 12 year old about this, go find another forum..
we want u to grow.. we want u to look good... and DSM wants u to dance for him im sure...
we want u to be a success story based upon our advice, but you need to leave your ego at the door...
it's up to you
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04-25-2009, 04:30 PM #50
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you're the one arguing you are 5-6%, if you just agreed that we possibly know what 5% looks like better than you and stop being in denial than we could continue helping you, all i'm trying to go is get you to open your mind to the possibility Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
btw, i saw the pic, looks closer to 10% at minimum
would like to see your diet
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04-25-2009, 04:32 PM #51
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Well my bad, the guy in pic 2 looked like 2% bodyfat, but you'd know more than me. Originally Posted by lord henry
16% body fat 1st pic
5% body fat 2nd pic
Sure a a great diet and plan etc does something, but it only does so much, if a diet was the miracle, none of you would be taking steroids yourself. And no I'm not just planning on doing it because I want big inscreases fast, I want to because it involves my line of work, and the guys that are doing steroids are looking better than I am and I work out and eat just like them. So please spare me the your just an amateur stick to chicken and vegetables bullshit.
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04-25-2009, 04:35 PM #52
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u'd be dead before u ever hit 2% bf... Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
argg... u seem to know soo much already...
here. let me break it down for u..
if u go and do and cycle without haveing your diet checked, u'll put on some weight, half being water... then u'll lose it all post cycle even with a proper pct cuz your diet wont let u keep what you've gained....
getting big consists of three things
80% diet
15% training
5% gear
u have a solid base... the point we're trying to make here is that we want u to do it RIGHT...
just shut up and answer what we ask of you.. i promise u'll never regret it
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04-25-2009, 04:37 PM #53
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Sorry it's not about ego for my case, I'm feeling the ego against me, because I have less knowledge on steroids , but that has nothign to do with my dedication in the gym, and it's insulting. I'll try to post a better pic soon, although that still doesn't change the question what would be a good starting cycle that would cut water weight, reduce fat, and give nice definition, of course adding some muscle also, which comes orally? Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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This is just turning into another dumb post whore thread...
The guy's a complete waste of time...
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04-25-2009, 04:38 PM #55
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Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
Alright im done.
i dont know what it is with today and new people who want help and dont take it.
So you know what, go put whatever you want into your body bro. Good luck to you, youll need it.
Everyone here is trying to help, but its obvious youre a fool.
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04-25-2009, 04:40 PM #56
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there is NO SUCH THING.. Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
the only thing that does those three things is a DIET!!!!
FCUKING GUY!!!
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04-25-2009, 04:40 PM #57
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My diet consists of eating 5-6 times a day, generally mixing these:
chicken
tuna
salad
fruits and vegetables
rice and oatmeal for carbs
egg whites
Also, yes maybe a diet would help, but between you and me if the steroids could help keep fat low, meaning I could loosen up the diet just a bit, I would be damn happy, because I am really trying of eating stale food like this...
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04-25-2009, 04:42 PM #58
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Thanks, you've donated alot to this thread. Originally Posted by MAD MATT
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04-25-2009, 04:44 PM #59
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finally, PROGRESS... Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
aright.. im glad we're getting on the same page...
im not here to tell u steroids arn't for you bro.. im just saying lets tweak your diet and we can move forward to the gear...
u already have a solid base...
could u do me a fav and get detailed about your diet..
i.e the time u eat the food, when your workout is, and the macros to all your foods???
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04-25-2009, 04:45 PM #60
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help me out with what i need and ill help u get everything u need...
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04-25-2009, 04:47 PM #61
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I try to eat more carbs during the day, work out around 6-7 p.m and then eat most of my proteins post-work out, keep my carbs low before going to bed, and drinking alot of water. What does macros mean? Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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04-25-2009, 04:50 PM #62
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i need the pro/fat/cal carb for each meal...
here, ill give u a sample
Breakfast:
Egg white cooked 1.5cup - 0fat, 2carb, 25pro
Quick oat 1cup - 7fat, 81carb, 18pro
Cottage chesse 1cup - 2fat, 6carb, 28pro
(9FAT, 89CARB, 71PRO)
Lunch:
Chicken breat 200g (7oz) - 15fat, 0carb, 58pro
Rice, 135g - 1fat, 108carb, 9pro
Green fresh veggies
(16FAT, 108CARB, 67PRO)
30min before workout:
Optimum whey shake 1scoop - 1fat, 3carb, 24pro
(1FAT, 3CARB, 24PRO)
PWO:
20g sugar
Optimum whey shake 1.5scoop - 1.5fat, 4.5carb, 36pro
(1.5FAT, 4.5CARB, 36PRO)
Lunch:
Beef steak 200g (9oz) - 18fat, 0carb, 68pro
Green veggies
(18FAT, 0CARB, 68PRO)
Before bed:
Optimum casein shake ½ scoop - 1fat, 4carb, 24pro
(0.5FAT, 2CARB, 12PRO)
TOTAL:
CALS: 2362
FAT: 46g
CARB: 206.5g
PRO: 278g
i need something that resembles that....
also include your workout times in there....
then, i need you to do this math for me...
Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )
once you have that number, you can multiply it by an activity number to figure out your daily caloric expenditure, be honest here as this is the very cornerstone of your diet, if you are between two of the below activity levels then just multiply by a number in between them
To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:
If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
If you are moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9
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04-25-2009, 04:52 PM #63
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Take help? When did someone give me info, or even ask me a question other than jamy, about anything other than all these posts about how I have no clue what 5% bf is? Where is the help in that? I might not know the calculation, but I do know how much water weight I can cut, and how much fat I can lose. Originally Posted by WARMachine
Alright im done.
i dont know what it is with today and new people who want help and dont take it.
So you know what, go put whatever you want into your body bro. Good luck to you, youll need it.
Everyone here is trying to help, but its obvious youre a fool.
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04-25-2009, 04:52 PM #64
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7am meal 1 = ?
9am meal 2 = ?
11am meal 3 = ?
1.30pm meal 4 = ?
3pm meal 5 = ?
5pm meal 6 = ?
6pm = work out
7pm = pwo meal ?
8.30 meal 7 = ?
10.30 meal 8 = ?
lay your diet plan out like so and it will the the guys alot ....
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04-25-2009, 04:55 PM #65
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Can we guesstimate? I havn't gotten to the point of making charts to calculate. I could try by it'll take me some time to get back to you. As for working out I work out hard 4-5 Days a week. Very rarely 3 times when I have a booked week. Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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I completely disagree with that statement (in bold) but your diet knowledge is great. I agree tho...youre advice is better used for someone who wants to listen bro. This dude is a waste Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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04-25-2009, 04:57 PM #67
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use fitday.com... Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
guesstimates will not help.. the diet game is very, very senstive
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04-25-2009, 04:57 PM #68
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i'd love to hear why so... Originally Posted by MMArmour
how would u put it??
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04-25-2009, 04:57 PM #69
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making charts to calculate? i'm writing down everything i eat to post later and it takes me 2minutes while i'm preparing it, just look on the package, weigh out the food and write down the macros Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
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04-25-2009, 05:01 PM #70
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This is an example of an average day, but I try to mix it up to not get bored.
7am meal 1 = ? Supplements, vitamins or thermogetics, depending on what products I'm using at the time.
9am meal 2 = ? Eggs, fruits with yogurt, skim milk
11am meal 3 = ? Protein shake with only 1 Scoop and water. Nitro-tech
1.30pm meal 4 = ? Tuna salad
3pm meal 5 = ? Snack on vegetables
5pm meal 6 = ? Pre work out supplements
6pm = work out
7pm = pwo meal ? Protein shake with 2 scoops and water. Nitro-tech
8.30 meal 7 = ? Chicken and rice
10.30 meal 8 = ? Try not to eat before going to bed.
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04-25-2009, 05:03 PM #71
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well, ur diet needs work, even though u still havn't done what iv asked.. i need macros and i need your BMR Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
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so you eat like 3 meals a day? theres your prob... your diet is far from perfect and needs work
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04-25-2009, 05:03 PM #73
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Yes I know it's easy, I just havn't been doing it. Which I will start, as of now. Originally Posted by Phate
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04-25-2009, 05:04 PM #74
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^ Wow... its a miracle if you got to 210lbs on that. Good genetics.
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04-25-2009, 05:06 PM #75
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good.. when u have complete detailed macros for your diet that look like the example i gave u earlier we can continue.. Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
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04-25-2009, 05:06 PM #76
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Well the outline you gave earlier, looks very accurate to what I would eat in a day, although it might not be the same the next day. Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
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04-25-2009, 05:07 PM #77
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consistancy is key here bro.. u need to put the time in....
u have to stick to a basic diet... i know u wanna change things up but you need to meet a certain split between ur carbs, pro, and fats...
im trying to help u get there.. but my hands are tied untill u get complete macros for me...
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04-25-2009, 05:09 PM #78
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9am meal 2 = ? Eggs, fruits with yogurt, skim milk (around 30g pro)
11am meal 3 = ? Protein shake with only 1 Scoop and water. Nitro-tech(around 30g pro)
1.30pm meal 4 = ? Tuna salad(around 25g pro)
7pm = pwo meal ? Protein shake with 2 scoops and water. Nitro-tech(around 30g pro)
8.30 meal 7 = ? Chicken and rice( around 30g pro)
your getting around 150g protein per day ,you need doubble that man.
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Originally Posted by jamyjamjr
I guess I could average it out to moderatly active, exercise 4-5 times a week. My BMR is 2151.5 x 1.55 = 3334.825
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based upon the vauge diet u put up.. i'd day ur about 1500-1700 kcal less then that, ur pretty much starving ur body Originally Posted by SunDownPoint
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