T3: How long? / Clen and EC: Cycling on and off

[drigomeister]

Hi all!

I read the stickies but I'm a little confused. I have 3 questions:

1) On T3:

I understand that there is no evidence that T3 will permanently shut down one's thyroid glands. So some suggests that there is no need to taper off from its use.

I am coming off this position.

I have read old articles recommending cycle durations ranging from 3-6 weeks with half of said period allocated for tapering off T3. Now, since there is no need to to taper off, what will be a good cycle duration for T3? 4 weeks? Or does it basically mean that I can run it for as long as I like?

2) On clen and EC (Ephedrine and Caffeine):

I have both clen and EC.

I have read old articles that clen should be used 2 weeks on/2 weeks off since it loses its effectiveness after 2 weeks.

As such, I thought I'd just run the EC for 2 weeks while off clen. But I read posts that it's not advisable as they target the same betareceptors.

Can someone confirm this?

I want to be on either clen or EC for the duration of the T3. So should I just stay on clen for the duration of the T3 and just take antihistamine like benadryl for a week if ever I decide to use clen for more than 2 weeks, and just put the EC on the shelf for later use?

3) Post T3:

Is it true that immediately after stopping intake of T3, neither clen or EC should be used so as to promote bounce back of thyroid gland performance? If yes, for how long should I refrain from using either clen or EC before I can use them again?

Thanks in advance.

[Phate]

Hi all!

I read the stickies but I'm a little confused. I have 3 questions:

1) On T3:

I understand that there is no evidence that T3 will permanently shut down one's thyroid glands. So some suggests that there is no need to taper off from its use.

I am coming off this position.

I have read old articles recommending cycle durations ranging from 3-6 weeks with half of said period allocated for tapering off T3. Now, since there is no need to to taper off, what will be a good cycle duration for T3? 4 weeks? Or does it basically mean that I can run it for as long as I like?
since you are running clen, i would suggest running it the duration you run the clen, and i would still taper off
2) On clen and EC (Ephedrine and Caffeine):

I have both clen and EC.

I have read old articles that clen should be used 2 weeks on/2 weeks off since it loses its effectiveness after 2 weeks.

As such, I thought I'd just run the EC for 2 weeks while off clen. But I read posts that it's not advisable as they target the same betareceptors.

Can someone confirm this?

I want to be on either clen or EC for the duration of the T3. So should I just stay on clen for the duration of the T3 and just take antihistamine like benadryl for a week if ever I decide to use clen for more than 2 weeks, and just put the EC on the shelf for later use?
clen and ephedrine both his the same receptors, clen is a selective antagonist(meaning it hits only the beta 2 and 3, while ephedrine hits them and everything around them, benedryl will NOT work to upregulate beta receptors, but ketotifen fumarate will
3) Post T3:

Is it true that immediately after stopping intake of T3, neither clen or EC should be used so as to promote bounce back of thyroid gland performance? If yes, for how long should I refrain from using either clen or EC before I can use them again?

Thanks in advance.

i have never read about clen/EC after t3 having any effect on thyroid, but if you have some studies i would love to see them, personally i don't see how clen/EC would affect the thyroid at all, different systems entirely

other answers in bold in quote^^^^^^^^

[drigomeister]

I read it from an old article by BigAndy69.

It says the following regarding post-T3 cycle:

"No Steroids, Ephedrine, Clen, T2, DNP, or anything that has an effect on metabolism. Moderate doses of caffeine can be used before cardio."

Anyway, what's a good duration to run clen? Is 1 month on clen and T3 ok? Or should I make it longer to 6 weeks?

Regarding the Benadryl. I understand Ketotifen is antihistamine. Benadryl is also an antihistamine. I assumed it performs the same function as Ketotifen. So Benadryl will not do? I will try to look for some Ketotifen then.

Thanks for the reply bro!

[Phate]

I read it from an old article by BigAndy69.

It says the following regarding post-T3 cycle:

"No Steroids, Ephedrine, Clen, T2, DNP, or anything that has an effect on metabolism. Moderate doses of caffeine can be used before cardio."
post the full article
Anyway, what's a good duration to run clen? Is 1 month on clen and T3 ok? Or should I make it longer to 6 weeks?
with ketotifen 6weekss is fine
Regarding the Benadryl. I understand Ketotifen is antihistamine. Benadryl is also an antihistamine. I assumed it performs the same function as Ketotifen. So Benadryl will not do? I will try to look for some Ketotifen then.

Thanks for the reply bro!

it's actually the diphenhydramine in benedryl that is the antihistamine, bt just because two things are in the same class doesn't mean they do the same thing

[drigomeister]

Copy bro.

How much should I take?

The ketotifen is a little expensive where I live so I want to know what dosage is just needed.

[Legolas]

last time i made a T3 cycle it was a combination of T3 T4 Clen and Ketotifen , im planning on using T3 and T4 again with my current HGH cycle but this time i wont run clen and ketotifen cuz these 2 substances makes the body very dehydrated , i wouldnt recommend it to anyone , now for the T3 start with 25mcg day 1 on day 5 increase the dose up to 50mcg and starting day 9 or 10 increase the dose to 75mcg and stay on this dose for 4 weeks , tapering off is to be onthe safe side cuz as for me i wouldnt wanna risk my glands for a little more fat loss so week 6 at 50mcg then week 7 at 25mcg then you stop .

Cuz too high doses for too long can damage ur thyroids glands . I wouldnt want to take the risk if i were you .