Does winstrol really help with deca?

[OneMore]

Just wondering if winstrol really helps with the sides that come from the pro estro for the deca? does this make sense? thanks for any input!

[JiGGaMaN]

deca may be good for limiting the joint pain from winny, so there is some benefit to running the two, however i would have to say using winny as an anti-estrogen probably isnt effective.

[OneMore]

lol! I didn't mean using it for an ai. But i guess thats what it sounds like. i just heard that it could help fight prolactin sides? I got ai's. I just found this interesting and had no clue if it was true?

[Immortal Soldier]

deca may be good for limiting the joint pain from winny, so there is some benefit to running the two, however i would have to say using winny as an anti-estrogen probably isnt effective.

Isn't runny Winny with Deca counter-productive since the Winny is more of a muscle hardening/lean drug while Deca is a mass builder that comes with water retention?

[JiGGaMaN]

Isn't runny Winny with Deca counter-productive since the Winny is more of a muscle hardening/lean drug while Deca is a mass builder that comes with water retention?

well water-retention only occurs if you let it happen. remember, winny is used at the end of the cycle rather than throughout it 99% of the time.

[(1*)]

Isn't runny Winny with Deca counter-productive since the Winny is more of a muscle hardening/lean drug while Deca is a mass builder that comes with water retention?

you can also use deca for cutting if your diet's rights. i've not done it but my understanding of it is that since it causes a + nitrogen balance you remain anticatabolic during a lowered caloric intake. just takes a few days after the last dose breaks down to expel what water may have built up .

[hugovsilva]

Some claim winny competes with nandrole and its metabolites for the PgR, acting as a PgR blocker in this regard.

[JiGGaMaN]

Some claim winny competes with nandrole and its metabolites for the PgR, acting as a PgR blocker in this regard.

i wasnt aware winny binds to the progesterone receptor.

[hugovsilva]

"Winstrol does not aromatize at any rate and has even been speculated to have anti-progestenic properties (in at least some cases, where it may “block” that receptor)"

Its in the profile. I wouldn't take it for granted, but its a possibility.

[JiGGaMaN]

"Winstrol does not aromatize at any rate and has even been speculated to have anti-progestenic properties (in at least some cases, where it may “block” that receptor)"

Its in the profile. I wouldn't take it for granted, but its a possibility.

yeah the (in at least some cases) sounds a bit iffy to me, i dont take the authors word very seriously.

[OneMore]

thanks for the replys! guess it couldn't hurt to run it and see for myself.

[CMPD213]

I've heard when running a 19-nor it can be a good thing to run a DHT derivative (proviron, winny, masteron etc.) because they compete with both estrogen and progesterone

[OneMore]

Any one have any other opinions or experience with this? And if so what dosage should i run the winny at? thanks!!

[OneMore]

Bump

[CHUCKYthentic]

I've heard when running a 19-nor it can be a good thing to run a DHT derivative (proviron, winny, masteron etc.) because they compete with both estrogen and progesterone

ive been told something like this too as a matter of fact in a thread, Reed actually informed me of this

[OneMore]

so i'm not the only one who heard this! Sound s like its worth giving it a try.

[chipfsu301]

I have always wondered about this too.....

if you ran it with a test, Deca, Cycle.

for example:

Test@500EW (Weeks 1-14)
Deca@400EW (Weeks 1-12)
Dbol@40mgsED(Weeks 1-5)

*wks 8-12 Winstrol 50 EOD or ED ??

?????????? could that be how one could run it ??????????????

[CHUCKYthentic]

id still never run a 19nor without caber at least on hand

cant rely solely on the winny if it is true, no way

[OneMore]

I wasn't going to run it without the proper ai's. I just found it interesting and thought if it helped why not.