Psychological tricks with steroids?

[timguyperson]

Was just wondering about a couple things.

There's been experiments with rats, that show that when an immune system increasing drug is given to a rat at the same time as a novel stimulus like sugary water, the rats immune system goes up. Now that was pretty obvious, but then later when just the sugary water was given the rats immune system went up again without any drugs at all. Conversely when a rat is given sugary water with an immune system suppressant the rats immune system goes down. And then again when the rat is given just the sugary water without the drug the immune system goes down.

These secondary changes aren't as pronounced as the changes the drugs make, but there is still a notable change.

So I'm just thinking, if you were on cycle and every time you injected you also took something else that was a novel stimulus and paired it with the injection, and then after the cycle you kept up the novel stimulus, would you get increased test production?

(This is all based on Pavlovian conditioning...take a look at Pavlov's dogs if you want to look into it all a bit more).

Just something interesting to wonder about and maybe try I thought.

Also another psychological classical conditioning phenomena was found with people overdosing on drugs. Did you know that most overdoses on drugs are done in a place that is new to the person? This sparked another experiment where rats were given heroin in one box. Then half the rats were put into a new box and given a stronger dose of heroin. The other half were given the stronger dose but in the same box. A control group was given just the stronger dose. The results: 25% of the rats given the higher dose in the same box as before died. 65% of the rats given the higher dose in the different box died. And 90% of the rats in the control group that were given just the higher dose died.

So this shows that firstly of course there is a built up tolerance, which I'm sure a lot of steroid users experience, which they then have to increase. The effect of this increased dose is felt the less by individuals in the same situation/place they were in previously. The individuals who inject in a new place feel the effects much more. And of course those that have never done it before feel the effects the most.

I could go into the A and B balancing curves in the conditioning model that explains all this. But that will take a while.

But I reckon you could probably use these tricks to get the most out of your steroid cycles. Has anyone ever heard of anyone trying anything like this?

I don't know, but at the very least it's all pretty interesting.

(BTW I'm a psychology student so I didn't just make all that up lol).

Also for people who do take drugs like heroin or whatever, do not take them in a place you have never taken them before. The effects will be much stronger and you have a much greater chance of overdosing.

[forza nuova]

you think to much

[fresh31]

you wouldn't produce more test since while on a cycle you're not producing test. you might get more strength/size gains then you normally would while off cycle, but it'll be very little

[jfalco]

this experiment has been done accidentally by anyone who was sold fake gear that has used real gear before. you would still be injecting the same solvent.

my guess is that there is little to no effect because you know the gear is fake.

[Bigload]

Even if you done this off cycle and had strentgh or muscle gains from the positve thinking it'd be worth it! Even a little but what would you use as your novel stimulus??? This is the power of positive thinking! Like arny thinking his biceps were mountains!

[jfalco]

The rat heroin experiment is flawed and the conclusion you draw is not warrented.

[timguyperson]

How is the rat heroin experiment flawed? And how is the conclusion not warranted?

And what are your qualifications to say that it is flawed? You are going against psychological research done by people with at least 7 years full time study and a life time of scientific research behind them.

Have you even read the report for the experiment?

I really don't get how you can say the experiment is flawed when it is accepted as well documented and researched Pavlovian conditioning phenomenon?

[408gt91]

Not to flame you homie, but if i injected sugar water after a cycle i would end up
with a big sugary lump in my ass.lol One lump or two?

[timguyperson]

haha yeah practical application of the theories would be difficult.