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This is my first post. I was wondering why everyone recommends test E or cyp instead of sust or prop for first cycle ? I will be doing my first cycle soon and was leaning toward prop because it doesn't make you hold as much water from what I have read. I'm assuming it's either cost or the fact you have to pin more frequently , but if there are any other reasons please post! As far as trying prop for a first cycle is that acceptable ?
Educate B4 You Medicate~HOF~RIP Our Brother~
Welcome to AR
if you do a search you will see thousands of threads on this and learn the answer
Test E or cyp is a SINGLE ester test. Sust has several esters, so keeping blood levels stable is harder
sust needs shot EOD in order to keep blood levels stable
Test E or cyp only needs shot every 3.5 days
a single ester is easier to control then multi esters
Prop HURTS to shoot, it is more painful, and needs to be shot ED or EOD
Anabolic Member
I don't believe the bullcrap that prop makes you bloat less...some bloat off test some don't, I did mid-cycle than I leaned up and it went away.
IMO I would never trade off shooting twice a week to ED just for that.
Junior Member
thanx for the quick reply guys. So what it boils down to is convenience. I wasn't trying to ruffle feathers with the water comment, that's just what it says in the profile. I have no idea which aas is going to work best for me until I try them . From what I have read everyone responds different. I have very specific goals in mind and as of right now I am making good gains just by following the recommendations in the diet section ( which you guys have done a fantastic job with) and the workout thread.
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People tell you to use Test E for your first cycle because you only have to pin 2x a week and it has the least amount of side effects IMO.
Educate B4 You Medicate~HOF~RIP Our Brother~
MORE than just convenience, remember keeping blood levels stable is your number ONE goal in cyclingOriginally Posted by JAZZBBCC
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agreed. i like shooting only twice a week.
Anabolic Member
Agreed, shooting twice a week is easier / more convenient, so Cyp or E is the best route for you. As well, different people react differently to AAS, so you may or may not retain a lot of water. And don't take any oral compounds during your first cycle. Simple is best.
Just be sure to alternate the injection site, and keep things clean.
But first! Do you have your PCT planned out?! Let's see it!(We're looking out for you- So what are your stats?
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Last edited by SnaX; 04-30-2009 at 01:51 AM.
Junior Member
Don't take oral compounds?Agreed, shooting twice a week is easier / more convenient, so Cyp or E is the best route for you. As well, different people react differently to AAS, so you may or may not retain a lot of water. And don't take any oral compounds during your first cycle. Simple is best.
Just be sure to alternate the injection site, and keep things clean.
But first! Do you have your PCT planned out?! Let's see it!
For my first cycle i was planning to use dbol and test c, i cut out the decca because people said stick with the test for first, is the dbol a problem?
Sorry to jump in.
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Yeah i tried 500mg of sust for my first and things went up n down, like i had better days in the gym shooting just before i went cause of the prop. Just stay with one ester unless your shooting lots of sust.
Junior Member
Thanx guys I appreciate all the replies! As far as stats go
age 37
ht 5'10
wt 180
bf 12%
As far as the pct goes I am not going to focus on it to much yet because since I came to this site about 2 months ago I had one thing on my mind and that was to do a cycle get ripped, stronger, huge, whatever. Well ar has a protocol to follow," which I did" I started reading and learning and actually found ALOT of info on how to train properly, which made me face the reality I didn't know anywhere near as much as I thought I did and have alot more room to make proper changes in my diet and training. If I don't get those things in check first EVERYTHING I do will be a waste and eventually lost and I want to be in this for the long term. That being said I have made some pretty good gains just making fundamental changes to my diet and training regimen "via slingshot training" and to be honest I don't want to even consider juicing til my strength gains slow or stop. I am really not interested in getting huge as a matter of fact I would like to keep my gain in lbs. to 5 - 10 of lean aesthetic muscle, depending on if I like the way I look or not , I may or may not do another cycle.
Educate B4 You Medicate~HOF~RIP Our Brother~
OK, your MAIN focus should be on PCT....That is MORE important than the actual cylce. That is what turns back on your natural production of test, and helps solidify your gains, without PCT, you will get nasty side effects after the cycle
Post Cycle Extraordinaire~GOT PCT?
pvssy...
Junior Member
I realize that but until I have committed to doing a cycle I will keep reading and trying to learn as much as I can so I fully understand why I am doing something or putting something in my body. I understand your persistence with regards to pct and how important it is and I agree but I don't want to put the cart before the horse.
Educate B4 You Medicate~HOF~RIP Our Brother~
that is one cart that is ALLOWED to be in front of the horse.. Just make sure you have the PCT compounds on hand BEFORE you ever start your cycle
Junior Member
Will do Tmos, I appreciate the honesty. The cycle part is easy but the pct has been very confusing , and is one of the reasons I am holding off. I could post a pct from Pheendo and have it critiqued by a dozen members but in 24 hrs. I will still know next to nothing as far as what the compounds actually do! I will continue to read and do my best to have a much better understanding of the whole process from front to end before I start a cycle. That I promise you! Nobody cares about my body as much as I do.
Educate B4 You Medicate~HOF~RIP Our Brother~
OK, well i like this thread on PCT
see if it helps you at all
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581
basically the compounds help keep estrogen from rebounding causing Estrogen side effects and they help stimulate production of your natural testosterone.... That is the "BASICS"
Junior Member
Thanx for the thread Tmos much appreciated! Very informative, will keep reading and keep up the great work!
Anabolic Member
As well, some steroid profiles for Test E and Test Cyp:
Test Enanthate: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199827
Test Cypionate: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199811
The best thing about using these as single ester testosterone, is you only have to shoot them every 3rd day. As well, there isn't the pain you will experience with short esters of Sust's, and it's easier to keep the test' levels consistent.
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