Test/Deca v.s. Test/Tren Please Vote!

[chipfsu301]

Which offers the best long term mass gains?

I just would like to see all the different opinions out there!!

Ok, test/deca is usually considered the cycle for bulking, while test/tren is viewed as more of a clean lean mass gain/cutter cycle. Which offers the best long term mass gains? We all know your diet and cardio will determine whether its a bulker or cutter. etc

[chipfsu301]

I left out the orals.....

of course it would be dbol either Anavar.

[Immortal Soldier]

Depends on the person man, some people can bulk off tren others gain lean muscle while getting pretty cut.

Test/Deca is the traditional bulker, you get some water weight with it, but that person doesn't care because they are bulking. Test/Tren is more for the person who wants to gain 10+lbs while getting cut and maintaining the physique.

Each person is different, some people can't gain alot weight off tren and just get cut, others do.

Most people will say Test/Tren, and rightfully so. It all comes down to preference. Personally I am running Test/Deca my next cycle, but if I wanted to bulk in the summer I would run Test/Tren. I can maintain my beach body while gaining weight, with deca that is harder to do because of water weight.

[laduem88]

Depends on the person man, some people can bulk off tren others gain lean muscle while getting pretty cut.

Test/Deca is the traditional bulker, you get some water weight with it, but that person doesn't care because they are bulking. Test/Tren is more for the person who wants to gain 10+lbs while getting cut and maintaining the physique.

Each person is different, some people can't gain alot weight off tren and just get cut, others do.

Most people will say Test/Tren, and rightfully so. It all comes down to preference. Personally I am running Test/Deca my next cycle, but if I wanted to bulk in the summer I would run Test/Tren. I can maintain my beach body while gaining weight, with deca that is harder to do because of water weight.

he could go with NPP

[Immortal Soldier]

he could go with NPP

Sure, but its more expensive than regular Deca when figuring same dosage protocol. Personally, I don't get what the fuss is about water retention. Deal with it, some extra water, big deal it will leave.

[tripmachine]

personally I'd always choose test / tren myself.... I'd use anadrol, dbol, or anavar depending on my goals.... I have nothing against a test / deca cycle though but if i had one choice only for the rest of my cycles.... i'd choose test / tren

[chipfsu301]

Its interesting that Trenbolone is similar to nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new magical compound.

[WARMachine]

Stats?

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diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

[JiGGaMaN]

Sure, but its more expensive than regular Deca when figuring same dosage protocol. Personally, I don't get what the fuss is about water retention. Deal with it, some extra water, big deal it will leave.

ive found it to be priced around the same as deca, but a lot cheaper then tren obviously.

in terms of the best for mass, overlooking sides, tren is your best bet. if sides are a concern, deca is your friend.

[RA]

test/deca...just cause I hate tren sides..

[alpmaster]

I think the magic is in the test....

[Knockout_Power]

hoping to find out this answer first hand over the next year. Starting a Test/Deca pretty quick here and then a Test/Tren cycle around Xmas

[johnnybigguns]

I vote test/deca/tren

[Schmidty]

my nxt cycle im mixing deca and tren for a lean bulk cycle

[chipfsu301]

Stats?

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge you have helped me in the past with my PCT ps Thanks
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

I am not trying to make a cycle. I am trying to have a discussion between Test/Deca v.s. Test/Tren. I like to hear all the different opinions/point of view and experiences people had. About to take an exam in an hour. (chemical engineering final) I am not sure I am ready to jump on the Tren Train yet. lol I have done 2 cycles. (1st Test only) and then Test+Primo+Anavar. Due to NCAA Drug testing I can't take Deca due to the 17 - 18 MONTHS Detection Time.

Rep 225 - 27 times
Broad jump 9'4"
20 yard shuttle 4.18
Also pole-vault 17 feet
40- 4.54
5'9 195lbs and I have abs lol body fat not sure

*(I was 215 before back surgery due to sports injury in 2007. I tore my L-5 and L-4 in my lower back. A Dynesys Dynamic Stabilization System now fixed my problem)

Once again not trying to make a cycle just trying to have a discussion between Test/Deca v.s. Test/Tren.

[chipfsu301]

Tren... however is very temping. lol but for me has Detection Time 5 months? The NCAA is smart to place only a 4 month window between test. Doing 2 sports makes it even harder to "Cheat".

[hankdiesel]

test/tren I am an animal in the gym on tren. Deca gave me a lot of strenth but the aggresion that trens brings is a great advantage.

[WARMachine]

Tren... however is very temping. lol but for me has Detection Time 5 months? The NCAA is smart to place only a 4 month window between test. Doing 2 sports makes it even harder to "Cheat".

If you knew the detection time of both and knew youre gonna be tested, why are you asking this question?

[Dukkit]

all the above

test/tren/deca

alll at once

heaven

[chipfsu301]

If you knew the detection time of both and knew youre gonna be tested, why are you asking this question?

lol busting my balls now.

I honestly enjoy learning. I enjoy hearing what people have to say. I even like to read some of your PCT post which are great. Just like T-mos says "Educate B4 You Medicate". I thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss. I am not going to play sports forever. Plus all my friends love Tren but I rather get my info from net, books and you pros. I have learned so much info from this board. I could not even imagine how people used gear properly before the internet and awesome forums.

Damn... well somebody killed this thread. lol

[chipfsu301]

anybody else want to weigh in on this thread? or are we calling it officially dead lol