no test cutting cycle??

**Ripped Mass** · 05-03-2009, 04:59 PM

I have been out of the game for awhile, its that time again. Thinking of running a no test cycle, am pretty gyno prone, I get teased about my "boobs" all the time. Wanted to do a primobolan (read alot of good things about it, never done it though), deca , and winny cycle. Could I possibly run this somehow without test involved, I already have good size (6'4 230lbs.), just looking to get vascular and cut, don't want to get too big. Also never bought online before looking at **** shop, are they legit?

***D7M*** · 05-03-2009, 05:05 PM

you've been out of the game for a while....you know your bf?

primo is pretty weak, bro.

and no open source checks on here.

***RAGE*** · 05-03-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by chamberman1979

I have been out of the game for awhile, its that time again. Thinking of running a no test cycle, am pretty gyno prone, I get teased about my "boobs" all the time. Wanted to do a primobolan(read alot of good things about it, never done it though), deca, and winny cycle. Could I possibly run this somehow without test involved, I already have good size (6'4 230lbs.), just looking to get vascular and cut, don't want to get too big. Also never bought online before looking at **** shop, are they legit?

Hey bro, might know how you ended up with gyno, no offense, but if you are looking to cut please post your diet in the diet forum, also you might want to look at clen and t-3, and a lot of cardio it is the best way to cut...bar none...

**Ripped Mass** · 05-03-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

you've been out of the game for a while....you know your bf?

primo is pretty weak, bro.

and no open source checks on here.

Well been out of the "roid" game, been working out 3 times a week, that hasnt changed. I have heard it is weak but keep alot of gains, very safe, just have to take alot of it. Do not know for sure bf but think it is around 16%, got a little tuumy, hoping the winny and perhaps run some clenbuterol in there to help knock that out.

***D7M*** · 05-03-2009, 05:18 PM

nope, winny won't help.

as much as I hate to say it, Prone2rage is right.

hit that diet and cardio hard, drop that fat, then do a real cycle.

**Lightsout2184** · 05-03-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by chamberman1979

I have been out of the game for awhile, its that time again. Thinking of running a no test cycle, am pretty gyno prone, I get teased about my "boobs" all the time. Wanted to do a primobolan(read alot of good things about it, never done it though), deca, and winny cycle. Could I possibly run this somehow without test involved, I already have good size (6'4 230lbs.), just looking to get vascular and cut, don't want to get too big. Also never bought online before looking at **** shop, are they legit?

alex rodriguez used primo it has to be good lol. bro if ur only working out 3 times a week that would be the first thing u need to work on

**Ripped Mass** · 05-03-2009, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

nope, winny won't help.

as much as I hate to say it, Prone2rage is right.

hit that diet and cardio hard, drop that fat, then do a real cycle.

Well my diet is coming around, I am seeing alot more cuts every week, but its summer time and I am looking for some assistance by way of the needle. Bottom line is you do not think I can get real results without test, since that was the answer I was looking for?

**Ripped Mass** · 05-03-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lightsout2184

alex rodriguez used primo it has to be good lol. bro if ur only working out 3 times a week that would be the first thing u need to work on

Well unfortunately I have a JOB (10-12 hrs a day), and a KID, and when I do hit the gym its three muscle groups, and workout 2-2.5 hours, hitting it very hard and take the next day off due to soreness. My regimen is not my problem, I am bigger than most juicers and get accused of it all the time when it has been four years since I touched the stuff. If I get back on I could do what the roiders do and just do one or two muscle groups a day and only workout an hour a day but with my schedule is not that easy.

**Lightsout2184** · 05-03-2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by chamberman1979

Well my diet is coming around, I am seeing alot more cuts every week, but its summer time and I am looking for some assistance by way of the needle. Bottom line is you do not think I can get real results without test, since that was the answer I was looking for?

i dont recommend running primo or winny with out test. ur bf percentage is too high to run winni imo. ill recommend gear to people before most people in this forum but i honestly just dont think ur ready.

**Lightsout2184** · 05-03-2009, 05:33 PM

why dont u wanna run test

**The Deuce** · 05-03-2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by derek7m

you've been out of the game for a while....you know your bf?

primo is pretty weak, bro.

and no open source checks on here.

I dont believe that Primo is weak.. yah in comparison to some AAS it is ... BUT .. i feel it is one of the BEST compounds out there... the gains are minimal but they are quality and they are gains that remain...

Originally Posted by prone2rage

Hey bro, might know how you ended up with gyno, no offense, but if you are looking to cut please post your diet in the diet forum, also you might want to look at clen and t-3, and a lot of cardio it is the best way to cut...bar none...

I SECOND THIS !!! CARDIO BRO !! It's your new friend if you wanna lose fat... and dont worry about the T3 right now.. just do CARDIO with a CLEN regimen.. you will get the results you are looking for with that...

Originally Posted by derek7m

nope, winny won't help.

as much as I hate to say it, Prone2rage is right.

hit that diet and cardio hard, drop that fat, then do a real cycle.

EXACTLY... Winny will not help... Do as DEREK says... DIET.. CARDIO... DROP THAT FAT... Then and only then jump on a real cycle.. you will thank yourself in the long run doing it that way...

Originally Posted by Lightsout2184

alex rodriguez used primo it has to be good lol. bro if ur only working out 3 times a week that would be the first thing u need to work on

Yah hit the gym 6-7 days a week... try weight training for 5 and cardio every day...

Originally Posted by chamberman1979

Well my diet is coming around, I am seeing alot more cuts every week, but its summer time and I am looking for some assistance by way of the needle. Bottom line is you do not think I can get real results without test, since that was the answer I was looking for?

STEROIDS ARE NOT FOR SHORTCUTS... they are for US people who have hit genetic potential or for us who want that extra edge to compete in professional powerlifting or Bodybuilding...

For the AVERAGE JOE... You need to get your self in GREAT shape before AAS should even be considered... it's DIET, TRAINING, then SUPPLEMENTATION !!

If you can't do anything NATURALLY then you wont be able to do it with AAS. You will only be hurting yourself and thats the brutal truth. You dont want to ruin your WHOLE LIFE... FOR A SHORTCUT !! C'mon Man.... you have to think smarter than this...

**The Deuce** · 05-03-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lightsout2184

i dont recommend running primo or winny with out test. ur bf percentage is too high to run winni imo. ill recommend gear to people before most people in this forum but i honestly just dont think ur ready.

Yah what he said... I usually am not one for a stickler on BF % and AAS.. I myself started my cycle at 23% BF but ... There is a long story behind it... and now I am still ON and still at 17.59% BF... WHICH even at the BF% a lot of people would say I shouldnt be ON. But I have been in the game for a long while and I know my stuff.... or I'd like to think I do...

Originally Posted by Lightsout2184

why dont u wanna run test

YAH... I was thinking that myself... WHY DONT YOU WANNA RUN TEST !?!?!? IT'S THE FRIGGEN BEST !! EVER !!!

**Ripped Mass** · 05-03-2009, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Yah what he said... I usually am not one for a stickler on BF % and AAS.. I myself started my cycle at 23% BF but ... There is a long story behind it... and now I am still ON and still at 17.59% BF... WHICH even at the BF% a lot of people would say I shouldnt be ON. But I have been in the game for a long while and I know my stuff.... or I'd like to think I do...

YAH... I was thinking that myself... WHY DONT YOU WANNA RUN TEST !?!?!? IT'S THE FRIGGEN BEST !! EVER !!!

I think I might already have some gyno from a cycle or two I did in the past, not to mention I don't really want to blow up, I want to get a chisled look, what would be the best test to run for this??? Had trouble sleeping through the night too! Last time I took cypionate .

**The Deuce** · 05-03-2009, 06:20 PM

Take Prop for 8 weeks... 75mgs ED... and Clen for 8 weeks... 2 wks normal... 2 wks benadryl to down regulate the beta receptors or whatever it does.. not to sure.. not that educated on clen but I do know that you run it for 2 weeks then take benadryl for 2 weeks then repeat... so do the clen... with the PROP...

GET A CUTTING DIET TOGETHER AND STICK TO IT !!! CARDIO EVERYDAY... EVERYDAY NO EXCUSES...

And then at that point you should be all set... make sure you have an AI on hand if you are GYNO PRONE... or already have pre-existing gyno... READ THE THREAD on GYNO reversal with Letro...

Dude basically start doing a lot of reading. EDUCATE yourself... This world of AAS can be VERY dangerous if not done appropriately... TRUST ME.

But if you have already cycled.. then I dont see an issue with you doing an easy 8 weeks cut cycle with the clen just to get urself on the right page...

I personally think you should WAIT but if you are DEAD SET ON DOING IT... then make sure you DO IT CORRECTLY man...

Oh and PCT dude... learn all you can.. if you knew all about it then you probably wouldnt have the gyno man... SO get your PCT in line before you even stick that needle in your body.