Test/Deca cycle help

[tank1234]

First hello everyone I startet my cycle after a two year break. I am in my cycle 5 weeks now. Results are great I am getting stronger everyday. The only problem I have is that I am packing a lot of water and wanted to know what I should take for it. This is my dosage per week right now
250 mg Test E, 900 mg Deca . My plans were to add D-bol in the mix and up my test dosage to 500 mg a week and with deca the same at 900 mg per week. How much D-bol should i be taking and for how long ? and what kind of estrogen blocker should i take and how much. Thanks and hope to hear from you guys soon.

[bene7422]

wow 900mg deca how many cycles have u done?whats your stats?there's really no reason to add dbol seeing your 5wks in your cycle.for the water you can use adex start at .25 mg eod

[T-MOS]

yea, WHY 900 on the deca ?? that is way high

how about your stats please

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
previous cylces, lengths, doses
PCT knowledge
Goals for this cycle

[tank1234]

Age 30
Height 6'0
Weight 205
Bodyfat 15%
Diet 80% protein 20% carbs
Years of training 3
Previous cycles Test E, Equipoise Lenght 5 month Doses 500 mg test 500 mg Eq
Goals for this cycle build as much mass as possible. Lenght of this czcle 4 months.

About the deca should I go down to 600 ? with the test i would like to go up to 500 mg what do you guys think. So how does this sound 500 mg test 600 deca ?

[D7M]

yes, 500mg test and 600mg deca sounds much, much better.

why in the world are you running a 4 month cycle?

[tank1234]

Why is 4 month to long ?

[D7M]

16 weeks? Yah, you can.

I wouldn't. But then again, I'm a fan of short burst cycles now.

[D7M]

Short burst cycling- explained

[tank1234]

Thanks for the info guys, this burst cycle sounds very nice i might have to try that next time thx derek.

[GrandmasterSpank]

Age 30
Height 6'0
Weight 205
Bodyfat 15%
Diet 80% protein 20% carbs
Years of training 3
Previous cycles Test E, Equipoise Lenght 5 month Doses 500 mg test 500 mg Eq
Goals for this cycle build as much mass as possible. Lenght of this czcle 4 months.

About the deca should I go down to 600 ? with the test i would like to go up to 500 mg what do you guys think. So how does this sound 500 mg test 600 deca ?

Something I picked up on there, off topic, but thought it worth mentioning...

80% Protein? Are you on Atkins? I'd have thought you'd be compromising energy levels having carbs so low. Plus, eating that much protein,- how can people stand being in the same room as you!? J/K mate. :-)

Anyway, what about the fats, gotta have some fat surely?

[tank1234]

LOL the reason for the low carb diet is because i am trying to get my bodyfat down. As far as energy level i havent noticed any problems in the gym and no I am not on the Atkins diet that diet sucks ass and is for fat people )) As far as fatty acids I take fish oil and nutts.

[GrandmasterSpank]

LOL the reason for the low carb diet is because i am trying to get my bodyfat down. As far as energy level i havent noticed any problems in the gym and no I am not on the Atkins diet that diet sucks ass and is for fat people )) As far as fatty acids I take fish oil and nutts.

True'dat!! Atkins sucks!! Tried it before I got into BB.

Interesting your energy levels are good, it just goes to show everyone's different. I find I get somewhat more sluggish, and recovery is slower if I go over 45-55% Protein,- whether bulking, cutting, or maintaining.

Best of luck anyhow! :-)

[GrandmasterSpank]

....Oh and if your trying to keep your bf down (cutting) you could easily take the Deca dosage down to 300-400mg p/w. 250mg p/w of Test is good for cutting. And save the Dbol for bulking, it'll only increase the water retention. That's my opinion anyway.

[busaboy27]

wouldnt u want to run the test about 100 mg over the deca ?

[GrandmasterSpank]

wouldnt u want to run the test about 100 mg over the deca?

Running Test slightly higher than Deca is the more traditional and preferred option, mostly for libido related concerns. However, if your running a decent dosage of Test with Deca (Say maybe 200mg Test upwards) your essentially replacing your natural androgens, and so if you do this and still experience libido related problems, it's more likely due to some other factor. This is my understanding anyway.

[tank1234]

What i am doing right now is 500mg test and 600 deca and I have not had any libido problems. I really dont want to go over 500 with the test i have done that in the past and I get really bad acne from it.

[T-MOS]

Running Test slightly higher than Deca is the more traditional and preferred option, mostly for libido related concerns. However, if your running a decent dosage of Test with Deca (Say maybe 200mg Test upwards) your essentially replacing your natural androgens, and so if you do this and still experience libido related problems, it's more likely due to some other factor. This is my understanding anyway.

Traditional yes, necessary , NO...it is a MYTH that Test has to be higher that Deca

As long as there is enough test to replace what is shut down , you should NOT have libido issues

I would NOT go below 200 mgs/week of test though, thats JMHO

[tank1234]

Ok thanks T-MOS

[Spartan ^]

wouldnt u want to run the test about 100 mg over the deca?

Not necessarily. Deca will shut down natty test but not synthetic test. So if you are running around 200-250mg week you will be fine.