first post first cycle lets get it right

[Rugbyboys]

okay so ive been lifting for around 6 years five being serious. I am currently at uni and am part of the starting 15 rugby team. I have never juied before but my best mate has i've finally come to the point where i want that extra edge. As ive said ive never used but have used the everyday bsn products and so on. The cycle i was looking at doing was a starting cycle of only turanabol (orals) the reason for this is from my research ive come to the conclusion that it has the less estrogenic sideeffects as it is not easily aromotised.
My Stats:
Age: 22/23
Weight: 200 pounds
Height: 6'3
bf%: 15

Im looking to try and cut down and build some pure lean muscle. Does turanabol also offer a considerable build in strength? cause im not looking for the puffy look that jucies such as dbol produce. I need the strength for my rugby. Im looking at mabye running only novaldex for my pct but am unsure as to weather i should also run clomid?

The cycle i was looking at was
Week1-6: 40mg/daily Turanabol
Week6-10: run my novaldex and or clomid (what doses are recomended?)

Also for my next cycle i heard a good stack is an anvar turanabol or a winstrol turanabol? any opinions?
Thanks for any help that comes my way

[busaboy27]

your best bet and what everyone will suggest is a test only cycle... for the first time..
you can run some test enanthate 300-500 mg per week split shooting half that every 3.5 days. that turanibol from what i come with is it should be taken with test. u would need test in that cycle. but since its your first run stick with the test only


your still a little young and should/could put on a couple more pounds naturally

[sigman roid]

as allready said a test only cycle for first cycle would be your better option using tbol on its own is not a good idea

[Rugbyboys]

see the thing was that i wasnt really looking for injections for my first cycle as i used to be a true anti gear person.. so i guess its really not what im looking for yet. I know the most gain comes from injectables but i dont feel quite ready yet

[sigman roid]

you know what they say bro if your not ready to inject your not ready for steroids.

[Rugbyboys]

okay well test e was not really an option i was looking at but now it seems that it is the right way to go, is there a link to its profile so i have a look at it and see what its all about. But are there any other alternatives? if i have to i will inject but if theres an alt. i would rather that.... Also i thought the purpose of a pct was to bring back the natural production of test? Could i maybe use tbol orals and test combined or is that a bit of an extreme stack for first time?

[busaboy27]

no looking for loop holes... u need test with every cycle.. and this being your first.. that is all you should do.. plain and simple.. if not. steroids are not for you. test is simple. possibly safest if used correctly. remember its natural in your body.. just at alot higher dose. and with your age. in consideration your on the edge of still messing with your own test production in your body since your still not of * so called age*. orals also have to survive first pass throught liver. maikng it liver toxic

[busaboy27]

http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Enanthate.php

[busaboy27]

other alternative is test cream.. but its only a percentage of a real shot

[Rugbyboys]

okay so looks like ill doing test e for my first cycle.. kind of exciting ..... um any idea about dosages and recommended cycle periods? also will i need both novaldex and clomid as a pct? Um doesnt test offer the effect of puffy muscles and water retention? Will the gains be keepable? sorry for these questions it is my first time i appreciate this so i dont **** up

[busaboy27]

i say first time doing it run about 400mg around there... 10 weeks is good. you will need nolva, hcg, and clomid, do a search on test enanthate pct and you will find what your looking for.. gains and what u keep depend on your diet and pct... water retention isnt that high.. compared to d-bol. u can take airimidex at small doses while on to combat the water retention. do a search in pct section. alot of good threads in there

[sigman roid]

the chances are you will get test e dosed at 250mg per ml so i would do 250mg twice per week on a monday morning and thursday evening you pct would be along the lines of
nolva
40/20/20/20
clomid
100/50/50/50

hcg you use while on cycle but its not always needed
your pct would start 14 days after your last shot of test e

[Rugbyboys]

you two are true legends thanks for all the help and guidance just what i needed. Now all thats left is to buy the shit, prick the shit, do all the work and take care of my self thanks guys..

[Rugbyboys]

well the test which i was going to buy has CONTENT: 10ml Vial/[300mg/1ml]so do i still stick to the 250mg?

Whats the main purpose of hcg?
and if there where any side effects such as gyno would i notice it during or after cycle?

[busaboy27]

hcg basically sends a signal to drop your nuts back down to aid in the recovery of your natural test levels(basically without going into a whole explanation).. side effects all depends on your body.. some people get it some dont.. it is easily controllable. keep nolvadex on hand if u feel your nipples getting sore dose accordingly. u can do it at 300mg per week at 1ml. or u can dose it at 1.5 ml which is 450mg or 1.25 which is 375mg. and so on. 450 would be a good way to go.. thats what i prefer.. but anything more than the 300 per week your gonna need another bottle.

[Rugbyboys]

so ill be dosing 300mg split between 2 days so 150 mg mondays and thursday....
Ill need to purchase clomid and nolva with the recomended dosages after the cycle Anything else?
and yes i have a strict diet and intense training

[Rugbyboys]

so a ten week cycle is resonable?

[sigman roid]

nope knothing else make sure you get your pct before you start and split your dose so your doing it every 3.5 days monday morning thursday evening then your good to go.and yes 10 weeks is fine

[Rugbyboys]

um will i need a hcg? is it completely necessary?
if so i should take it during the cycle right? which weeks?

[Rugbyboys]

i have a strict diet but some times i like the odd break ..will the increased amounts of test help in burning bf or will it increase bf?

[sigman roid]

as long as you aint eating crap constantly you will be good everybody has there days when they cheat.as for hcg it is not always needed depends how your body takes to the test only you will know once you are on cycle if your worried about it have hcg on hand just incase

[Rugbyboys]

okay im set and im just waiting on a few last things before i make my order.
I was looking into adding some winny into my cycle as well, or am i being to much of an eager beaver with this? should i just run test e for my first cycle and save the winny for another time, although i am looking for good strong and cut gains. If so would my cycle look something like this
Week 1-10 Test E 300mg/weekly
Week 6-10 Winny (What dosages do you recomend?)
Week 12-16 Pct

also do these syringes sound right syringes with 3 ml capacity with needles - 24G x 1" (0.55 x 25mm)?

[busaboy27]

forget the winny totally.. you wont see the results with 15% body fat.. it leans u out as in cuts the water not lean u out cutting fat.. it is not a fat burner.. stick to the simple test enanthate.. and go from there. and 4 weeks of winni is nothing.

the needle gauge depends on how thick the oil is. length for glute is 1.5.... 1 inch is for quad and so on. i use 23 gauge for enanthate..

[Rugbyboys]

1 ml capacity with needles - 27G x 1/2" (0.40 x 13mm)?
sound good? i will be using my glutes as my site

[busaboy27]

no u need 3ml 23g 1.5 inch long.. i doubt the oil will even start to go through a 27 gauge smallest needle i ever used for test enanthate was 25 and it took 5 long minutes to fill the needle.

or 1ml if your only shooting 1ml in u at a time

[busaboy27]

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...products_id=83


at top it says 1.5 and then it says. 1'' but they typed wrong ..they are 1.5

[sigman roid]

as allready said forget about winny for this cycle stick with the test e and use 23 gauge pins

[Rugbyboys]

(was a stupid question)

[chuckt12345]

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[Rugbyboys]

okay i composed that completely wrong sorry.... i think i will just stick to a simple test e cycle to start with... i was mainly wondering if i stacked the test e with deca would there be an increase in water retention?

[busaboy27]

like i said.... TEST ONLY!!!!! your still fishing... lol

[Rugbyboys]

i know lol Just getting a little excited now btw the novaldex came as 100tabs so do you reckon i could run it while on the cycle to lower chance on gyno?

[sigman roid]

i wouldnt run it through out your cycle just use it if you get any signs of gyno

[Rugbyboys]

whats the main difference between Enanthate and Cypionate? Do you recommend i still run Test E instead? lol.... just looking for the perfect cycle so i dont mess my self up you know

[sigman roid]

the difference between test e and c is the ester i would stay with the test e imo its the best thing to use on a first cycle