Starting Anavar Only Cycle at 40mgs?

[MACKATTACK]

6'4
250
20% BF
25 yrs old

Meal Plan for Today (Friday/just one piece of my diet):

10- 1 Whole Egg, 6 Egg Whites, 2 pieces of whole wheat toast, 12+ ounces of water
12- 8 Ounces of Grilled Chicken, 1 1/2 cups of Brocolli, 12+ ounces of water
2- 1 1/2 scoops of Max Pro Protein, with 1 cup of Fat free Milk, 1 tbsp of peanut butter
4- 1 Supreme Protein bar
4:30- NO Extreme Pre Workout Drink
5- 1 hour of lifting, 30 mins of cardio
6:30- 2 scoops of Matrix 5.0 with 1 cup of milk
7- 8 Ounces of (95% + lean) ground beef, 1 Full Artichoke, 1 full cucumber
9- 6 ounces of London Broil or 1 cup of Cottage Cheese


Now that we have the basic questions out of the way that EVERYONE asks, my question is, YES I am doing an Anavar only cycle and plan on taking it at 50mg ED and YES I know I am not at the 15% BF level everyone recomends. I was wondering if I should start the cycle straight out at 50 or start at 30 or 40 for the first few 3-4 days.

I have done one Anavar Only cycle about 2 years ago and started at 10 then to 20 then to 30 and felt that it was a complete waste, but it seems the Jury is still out on to start it straight at 50 or maybe at 40 if my main level will be 50mg a day. Also if anyone asks I will be taking all 50mgs in the morning because thats what has worked best for me.


So overall, start out at 40mg a day for the first 3 days or just go right with 50mg???



Thanks.........

[Immortal Soldier]

waste of cash

Might as well go with Superdrol over Anavar if you are looking for gains. Only thing anavar is good for is probably briding between cycles IMO or as an addition to a cycle never a stand alone just for the shear fact that for the price you pay and the gains you get it isn't worth it.

[Necrosaro]

Personally why not a test cycle of 500mgs ran for 10-12 weeks so you can bulk up a bit then cut yourself after awhile? If you are bend on using anavar then I see no reason as to pyramid it. Start right at 50mgs

[MACKATTACK]

waste of cash

Might as well go with Superdrol over Anavar if you are looking for gains. Only thing anavar is good for is probably briding between cycles IMO or as an addition to a cycle never a stand alone just for the shear fact that for the price you pay and the gains you get it isn't worth it.

I already have the Anavar, I prefer doing this Oral since the gains I saw last time were Tremendous with minimal side effects (lean muscle mass that is ~15lbs with a 30lb weight losss, especially the PITA trunk fat)

Personally why not a test cycle of 500mgs ran for 10-12 weeks so you can bulk up a bit then cut yourself after awhile? If you are bend on using anavar then I see no reason as to pyramid it. Start right at 50mgs

Thanks, I was thinking 50mg also from the start.





Also another question I had because everyone on here said you need some PCT for a anavar only cycle so I picked up some Clomid. But when talking to some guys local to me they said you dont need PCT since it doesnt shut you down and that the clomid may make me aromatize, any thoughts??

[Immortal Soldier]

I already have the Anavar, I prefer doing this Oral since the gains I saw last time were Tremendous with minimal side effects (lean muscle mass that is ~15lbs with a 30lb weight losss, especially the PITA trunk fat)



Thanks, I was thinking 50mg also from the start.





Also another question I had because everyone on here said you need some PCT for a anavar only cycle so I picked up some Clomid. But when talking to some guys local to me they said you dont need PCT since it doesnt shut you down and that the clomid may make me aromatize, any thoughts??

Anavar doesn't shut you down but it can suppress the HPTA by 30-40%, so a light PCT such as nolva or clomid dosed at 50/50/50/50 would be sufficent in opitimizing hormonal levels. As for clomid aromatizing, never heard that clomid it self is a SERM which means it selectivly blocks estrogen in certain parts of the body (namly the breast tissue) whle promoting the producting of LH and subsquent restart of the HPTA.

[MACKATTACK]

Anavar doesn't shut you down but it can suppress the HPTA by 30-40%, so a light PCT such as nolva or clomid dosed at 50/50/50/50 would be sufficent in opitimizing hormonal levels. As for clomid aromatizing, never heard that clomid it self is a SERM which means it selectivly blocks estrogen in certain parts of the body (namly the breast tissue) whle promoting the producting of LH and subsquent restart of the HPTA.

The one guy that said that doesn't even or have ever taken steroids but he was shooting the shit and I caught that because I thought the total opposite which is exactly what u said and I just didnt say anything without double checking.

So 50mg for a month for each day? I have the 50mg Clomid pills now, with a little extra surplus just incase i lost any god forbid when PCT came.......

[WARMachine]

Anavar doesn't shut you down but it can suppress the HPTA by 30-40%, so a light PCT such as nolva or clomid dosed at 50/50/50/50 would be sufficent in opitimizing hormonal levels. As for clomid aromatizing, never heard that clomid it self is a SERM which means it selectivly blocks estrogen in certain parts of the body (namly the breast tissue) whle promoting the producting of LH and subsquent restart of the HPTA.


You will need nolva also, as the point of these serms is to block estrogen receptors in the HPTA to fool it, and to tell the pituitary to start producing it's own LH and FSH.

Your HPTA is either shutdown (not producing ganadotropins) or inhibited (producing less ganadotropins).

Different AS will cause different effects to the HPTA.

And Clomid does not aromatize. Id use both Nolva and Clomid for PCT for about 4 weeks.

Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva - 20/20/20/20

[Immortal Soldier]

Your HPTA is either shutdown (not producing ganadotropins) or inhibited (producing less ganadotropins).

Different AS will cause different effects to the HPTA.

And Clomid does not aromatize. Id use both Nolva and Clomid for PCT for about 4 weeks.

Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva - 20/20/20/20

Why did you quote me and repeat basically everything I said

And Nolva/Clomid for anavar only at 50mgs is excessive IMO, and if you choose to go that route no need to have 100mgs the first week, the difference between 100mgs and 50mgs of clomid ED is negigible when taking into account the effect of anavar on the HPTA. At normal human dosages all anavar do is suppress the HPTA not shut it down, it is not that strong.

And both nolva and clomid block estrogen receptors, but both is not needed. Nolva is superior mg to mg so nolva at 20/20/20/20 is enough. But since he had clomid already I said that clomid could work. Look Superdrol is far more suppresive on the HPTA and can cause near shutdown in as little as a week and the standard PCT for Superdrol is 20/20/20/20 (nolva) OR clomid 50/50/50/50. So I don't buy into the notion that you need to both clomid and nolva for a compound as light as anavar.


Nolva and Clomid aren't wonder drugs, both have been linked to various forms of cancer at dosages as low as 20mg. So whenever you can limit your use of SERMS when not needed the better you are in the future.

[WARMachine]

read my edit

Compared to what? 50mg? I'd like to see that study

Inhibited-to restrain, hinder, arrest, or check
Supress-To inhibit the expression of

Basically the same words

Basically yes... But as it pretains to this, its a bit different.

And im including the study in my sticky. You can read it there.

It should be posted by tonight, im waiting on some things for Admin to take care of first...



Now personally think that the whole 'standard' 4 week PCT needs to be trashed. The idea that 3-4 weeks is the standard of PCT retarts your natural test production, as many people who get bloodwork done on a regular basis can attest to, is not accurate. It can take months after PCT (or even years before full HPTA function is restored) and only in part in some cases. The idea of time on + PCT = time off is a sound one, but in truth, even that amount of time off is insufficient in many cases to restore full HPTA function. With that said, its important to remember to get blood tests done before you begin the cycle, during the cycle, and after PCT.

[Immortal Soldier]

Basically yes... But as it pretains to this, its a bit different.

And im including the study in my sticky. You can read it there.

It should be posted by tonight, im waiting on some things for Admin to take care of first...



Now personally think that the whole 'standard' 4 week PCT needs to be trashed. The idea that 3-4 weeks is the standard of PCT retarts your natural test production, as many people who get bloodwork done on a regular basis can attest to, is not accurate. It can take months after PCT (or even years before full HPTA function is restored) and only in part in some cases. The idea of time on + PCT = time off is a sound one, but in truth, even that amount of time off is insufficient in many cases to restore full HPTA function. With that said, its important to remember to get blood tests done before you begin the cycle, during the cycle, and after PCT.

Agreed, but the point of PCT is not to bring your natural test production levels to baseline, that is wishful thinking. You do a 3-4 month cycle your body isn't going to bounce back in 3-4 weeks. I agree we are all different, but the main purpose of the PCT is to begin the process of natural testosterone production. However, it could take 6-7 months to reach pre-cycle hormonal levels for some people and some might never reach that level.

Now thats why the longer your on cycle, I feel the longer your PCT should be, nothing dramatic but instead of 4 week therapy you might have to extend it to 7 weeks, now that doesn't mean it will make your hormonal levels back to where they were in 7 weeks, but it starts the process and it sure as hell beats no PCT.

[Necrosaro]

Isn't waiting a year before your next cycle common knowledge?

[WARMachine]

Agreed, but the point of PCT is not to bring your natural test production levels to baseline, that is wishful thinking. You do a 3-4 month cycle your body isn't going to bounce back in 3-4 weeks. I agree we are all different, but the main purpose of the PCT is to begin the process of natural testosterone production. However, it could take 6-7 months to reach pre-cycle hormonal levels for some people and some might never reach that level.

Now thats why the longer your on cycle, I feel the longer your PCT should be, nothing dramatic but instead of 4 week therapy you might have to extend it to 7 weeks, now that doesn't mean it will make your hormonal levels back to where they were in 7 weeks, but it starts the process and it sure as hell beats no PCT.

Trust me bro, youll like my PCT addition.

Perhaps i can sneak a peak to you. Shoot me a PM.

[WARMachine]

Nice read...

Nothing new. All circumstantial evidence on cancer of the prostate. However likely it may be.

But good read for the newbies brutha.

Nicely done.

[Immortal Soldier]

Nice read...

Nothing new. All circumstantial evidence on cancer of the prostate. However likely it may be.

But good read for the newbies brutha.

Nicely done.

I would find more studies, but I am not on my laptop right now and am too lazy to go searching manually

Good debate old chap, I will read your PCT article. We need to move on to newer and better SERMS, nolva and clomid are ancient drugs that need to be scraped.

[(1*)]

good debate. hijacked thread (lol) but very informative. thanks guys.

[WARMachine]

good debate. hijacked thread (lol) but very informative. thanks guys.

Yeah sorry for the highjack.


But hopefully a few people learned some things...

[WARMachine]

^ Indeed. I hate researching too. Part of it though, if it werent for guys like us, SWALE, and Swifto, we'd all still be running Deca only cycles with no PCT.



These new generation SERMs seem to be the new way.

I prefer Tamox and Clomid, but only because im yet to use Tormifene. From what i hear, Tormifene has recently been reported to be the best SERM at restarting an inhibited HPTA. (I will talk more about it in my sticky, just waiting on some info from Swifto.)

[MACKATTACK]

Holy Thread Jack BATMAN!!!!

Ok so I plan on taking the Clomid at 50mg a day for a month............

And I will start the Anavar on Monday at 50mg for the first day........


It was a while ago since the last time I did Anavar, but I should feel the "warmth" the first week but start to see true effects after a couple of weeks, correct?

[Necrosaro]

In a few weeks yes you should start to feel strength gains and a somewhat veiny look.