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05-13-2009, 07:23 PM #1
Which AAS raise Testosterone levels?
Do all AAS raise testosterone levels in the blood in some type of fashion?
What does a Deca only cycle do to blood levels? I'm not a newb, so I know not to do a Deca only cycle. But I am curious how just running Deca would affect blood levels, and if anyone has any stats from bloodwork from a Deca only cycle?
I have been a daily reader of this site for over a year, and still don't know exactly how steroids work. I know that Testosterone puts your body in an anabolic state and increases protein synthesis. I also know that some compounds have a higher affinity for the androgen receptor, but I don't really understand what that means.
Can someone who is not a dumbass or a troll explain some of these things to me in layman's terms? And as a I mentioned before, I am interested in seeing people's bloodwork, before, during, and after a cycle and what compounds they ran. I think this would help me better understand different compounds.
BTW Newbs please don't reply and tell me to read the steroid profiles, I have a thousand times before.
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05-13-2009, 11:01 PM #2
none raise test levels. keep reading cuz you have no idea what you are asking bro.
and this is a total newb question, so dont tell others not to answer such a dumb question.
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05-13-2009, 11:07 PM #3Junior Member
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Of course test raises test levels. OP isn't referring to natural test levels, but synthetic.
And it's something I've wondered as well. Like how does deca suppress test levels different to say test e. Because although test e suppresses natural levels it boosts synthetic levels. If deca doesn't boost synthetic levels then how does it even cause muscle growth? And if it does indeed boost synthetic levels then why does it affect libido as if there isn't any test in your system?
I think that's the sort of thing OP is asking. Could be a dumb question, but it's easy to miss something. I know I have.
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05-13-2009, 11:07 PM #4
simple.... if its not test its most likey suppressing your natural test
if its test u are inject massive amounts over what your body produces tricking it into thinking it needs to level out by dropping your natural test made by your body by raising your estrogen.. sound good? i think thats what u were asking...
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05-14-2009, 10:12 AM #5
You are a dipshit, and one of the people that I didn't want to post. But thanks for the bump. Feel free to come back if you acquire a brain.
I am asking about synthetic levels, I see you are curious as I am. You seem like me, you don't know exactly why. I don't think a lot of people do know exactly why.
Thanks. This wasn't exactly what I was asking. I was more interested in exactly how different compounds affect blood levels. I was also interested in seeing peoples bloodwork when they were running these compounds.
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id suspect test based steroids would show increased levels of testosteore (test / eq / dball / etc ) the dhts and 19 nors would not.... but i cant say that with 100% certainty....
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05-14-2009, 10:18 AM #7
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05-14-2009, 10:19 AM #8
Ran 600mg test e per week half way through test levels came back after bloodwork at 3091 I was lucky to have gotten some really legit test. Hard to tell what is good or not anymore. Til you run it that is
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05-14-2009, 10:23 AM #9
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05-14-2009, 10:24 AM #10
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05-14-2009, 10:28 AM #11
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05-14-2009, 10:54 AM #12
the only real way to know if its legit is to start injecting it and wait for the gains/water retention,
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05-14-2009, 11:01 AM #13
^Unless your going to send it to a lab to be tested
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05-14-2009, 11:06 AM #14
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05-14-2009, 02:05 PM #15
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05-14-2009, 02:46 PM #16
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05-14-2009, 04:15 PM #17
readup alittle more on this site bud ull find the answer ur looking for!
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05-14-2009, 05:44 PM #18
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05-14-2009, 06:17 PM #19suspended for a very long time
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I didn't even read this thread... so apologizes if someone already answered.
The only way to create synergy and increase the amount of free test in your body is to take a "testosterone -molecule derived / manipulated steroid " along side your test. (I.E. something like EQ and Test often provide the highest levels on free-test in your body) Other compounds such as deca bring down your natural test levels, because they are 19-nor.
I could look around for a study, I know I have one saved on my computer. Would you be interested? But yah, hope that clears up your question.
... oh and... to "thebrat"... you're sooo soooo sooo dumb. lol
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05-14-2009, 06:23 PM #20
Good idea. Have you levels tested before a TEST ENAN cycle and again after,,,this will show you an increase in testosterone levels .
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05-14-2009, 06:27 PM #21
Yeah if you can find the study, I would be interested in it. You say Deca shuts you down, from what I have heard any AAS will shut you down. I'm kind of curious why some compounds take longer to recover from than others, and if something mild like anavar shuts down all of your natural production? But not just an opinion a study would be helpful.
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05-14-2009, 06:31 PM #22suspended for a very long time
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kk.. I see what you're having trouble understanding..
here's the thing.. Deca will shut you down 100% off basically 100mg + . However, that is because it is a very very very strong compound.
It's the exact same with test. Once you introduce artifical test into your body... your body detects it, and realizes it doesn't have to produce any natural test anymore... aka shutting down your production.
with something like anavar it is so mild that you're only slightly shut down. so therefore you do need a PCT after... but you will recover a lot faster then any other form of AAS.
Ultimately, the time it takes you to recover depends on the half-live / active-live of the compound you're using & how long you've been shutdown for.
I'll find that study.. brb
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05-14-2009, 06:50 PM #23
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05-15-2009, 07:32 PM #24
bump for more explanations.
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05-15-2009, 09:35 PM #25
[QUOTE=illwillogical;4628572]You are a dipshit, and one of the people that I didn't want to post. But thanks for the bump. Feel free to come back if you acquire a brain.
i am a dipshit? you asked what steroids raise test levels? r u ****ing stupid? of course test will raise test levels u fuk! ur obviously the dipshit iof you dont know injecting test raises test levels......get a life and keep trying to look good cuz ur weak!
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05-15-2009, 09:38 PM #26
im dumb but u cant even post an avatar of ur body, lol.......its ok to be embarasssed of your body, obviously those who can at least post a pic of themselves have something to show, but then again, if the original poster could explain what his thoughts better, anyone could answer them, but i see now why i left this board awhile back....and why im leaving again.....bunch of uneductaed people using shit whitout even knowing what theyre doing. go ahead do me the favor admins, ban me.....btw, i look better than most of you and im almost 40!! grow up and get a brain before you jab yourself with oils!
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05-15-2009, 09:39 PM #27
We are all here for the same benifit so I find that this nonsense going on between you both is unecessary.
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05-16-2009, 01:59 AM #28
Anyways lol
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05-16-2009, 02:27 AM #29
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05-16-2009, 09:21 AM #31
So any more insights on the original questions?
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05-16-2009, 10:15 AM #32Associate Member
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With steroids taken by themselves, only testosterone raises serum testosterone levels . Exogenous testosterone depresses endogenous testosterone and "replaces" levels. Other steroids depress endogenous testosterone and the only AAS in the body is that particular steroid you're using.
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05-16-2009, 10:36 AM #33
So WTF do you think steroids are suspended in,- fruit juice!? Sheesh! Yeah, 'we're' all dumb!!
And yes, that's me in the Avi btw! Lmao.
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05-16-2009, 03:53 PM #34
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05-17-2009, 05:04 PM #35
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05-17-2009, 05:08 PM #36
long story short.
my natural levels were low.
normal range is 31-94
mine was 31.2
my endocrinologist made a few suggestions for me to get below the line....he said he could help me, but being below the line - he could help me more
so took a ML of deca on monday, one thurs. then next week, one mon, then wed one and a half ML. then had my bloodwork done friday (2 weeks of deca, 2 shots a week)
my bloodwork came back, 22.8
it shut me down HARD..
i cried at the end of the movie titanic.......................................
nuff said.
for me, my bloodwork showed it halted my LH and FSH functions of my petuitary gland........
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