Test Cyp. + Dbol Cycle Questions

[BGIZZLE8629]

Im getting ready for my next cycle. Its gona be 10wk Test Cyp. and Dbol. Im gona be using 600mg/wk test and dbol will be gradually increased like this;
wk1-first 4days 10mg, next 3days 20mg
wk2-20mg
wk3-20mg
wk4-30mg
Is this enough dbol or should I go up to 40mg/ed? This is my first time experimenting with Dbol so i dont think I need to go too high. Plus I want to avoid the possibility of really bad headaches, back aches, and liver toxicity.

I have a really important question though. I am kind of gyno prone and trying to figure out if I should take 10mg or 20mg/ed of nolvadex ed during my cycle - What do you guys think? I cant get ahold of .25mg tabs of arimidex, I can only find 1mg tabs but I do alot better with sides @.25mg/ed instead of .5/eod. .5mgeod really dries out my joints really bad and seems to fluctuate my hormone levels too much and I get more acne on shoulders ect. So arimidex is basically out of the question for this go-round.

Also, I have researched/read that taking L-I-V-5-2 while taking dbol greatly reduces the effectiveness of the dbol! Is this true? If so, I will just take a good amount of milk thistle but if not, I will be taking both milk thistle and the LV52.

If you guys could get back to me about what the best way to start Dbol is because its my first time using it, how much nolvadex i should take ed during cycle (10/20mg?), and what the real scoop is on milk thistle/LI52V use while taking an oral at the same time I would REALLY APPRECIATE IT! Thanks for any help I get from all of you experienced users.

Cycle will look like this:
wk 1-4: 600mg Test cyp, 10/20/20/30 Dbol, 10mg Nolva
wk 5-10: 600mg Test cyp, 10mg Nolva
wk 11-12: 20mg Nolva
Wk 13-17: Nolva-40/30/20/20/20 Clomid-100/50/50/25/25

6'
218
23yrs old
Training Exp: 5yrs

Thanks again for advice and suggestions about cycle/pct/ancilleries/ect.

[Phate]

Im getting ready for my next cycle. Its gona be 10wk Test Cyp. and Dbol. Im gona be using 600mg/wk test and dbol will be gradually increased like this;
wk1-first 4days 10mg, next 3days 20mg
wk2-20mg
wk3-20mg
wk4-30mg
Is this enough dbol or should I go up to 40mg/ed? This is my first time experimenting with Dbol so i dont think I need to go too high. Plus I want to avoid the possibility of really bad headaches, back aches, and liver toxicity.

I have a really important question though. I am kind of gyno prone and trying to figure out if I should take 10mg or 20mg/ed of nolvadex ed during my cycle - What do you guys think? I cant get ahold of .25mg tabs of arimidex, I can only find 1mg tabs but I do alot better with sides @.25mg/ed instead of .5/eod. .5mgeod really dries out my joints really bad and seems to fluctuate my hormone levels too much and I get more acne on shoulders ect. So arimidex is basically out of the question for this go-round.

Also, I have researched/read that taking L-I-V-5-2 while taking dbol greatly reduces the effectiveness of the dbol! Is this true? If so, I will just take a good amount of milk thistle but if not, I will be taking both milk thistle and the LV52.

If you guys could get back to me about what the best way to start Dbol is because its my first time using it, how much nolvadex i should take ed during cycle (10/20mg?), and what the real scoop is on milk thistle/LI52V use while taking an oral at the same time I would REALLY APPRECIATE IT! Thanks for any help I get from all of you experienced users.

Cycle will look like this:
wk 1-4: 600mg Test cyp, 10/20/20/30 Dbol, 10mg Nolva
wk 5-10: 600mg Test cyp, 10mg Nolva
wk 11-12: 20mg Nolva
Wk 13-17: Nolva-40/30/20/20/20 Clomid-100/50/50/25/25

6'
218
23yrs old
Training Exp: 5yrs

Thanks again for advice and suggestions about cycle/pct/ancilleries/ect.

what was your first cycle?

pct?

reasoning behind pyramiding the dbol?

taking any liver protectant with an oral with slightly reduce gains, i would take it anyway, you only have one liver

[busaboy27]

^^^^^^ for what he said.. hit d-bol.full strength beginning to end.. split up doses through the day seems to keep sides down... levels out better

[Phate]

about what u had said bro ,is testosteron as 1 inj steroids will be enough,i think u do have to get one more steroids ex[equipoise,omadren,deca]right at least to get back to good mass

really? and why is this, because it's the complete opposite of what i was thinking

[busaboy27]

you still didnt say anything about your first cycle and pct and how long ago it was....

if u keep a cylce simple with a single compound maybe the d-bol(after we here about your other stuff) u can make good gains and keep it long as you do everything correct...

[busaboy27]

about what u had said bro ,is testosteron as 1 inj steroids will be enough,i think u do have to get one more steroids ex[equipoise,omadren,deca]right at least to get back to good mass

wait... i replied to your post.. u got your own thread...........

[marcus300]

^^^^^^ for what he said.. hit d-bol.full strength beginning to end.. split up doses through the day seems to keep sides down... levels out better

Seems to be the best way forward, hit full dose from the start.

[BGIZZLE8629]

what was your first cycle?

pct?

reasoning behind pyramiding the dbol?

taking any liver protectant with an oral with slightly reduce gains, i would take it anyway, you only have one liver

my first cycle was several years ago - tren/winny for 6wks - shooting like eod. It was really stupid and @ the time i didnt know that tren was basically the most powerful steroid available. Thought I knew what I was doing but i didnt. Didnt do pct either. 2nd cycle was 400mg of test cyp for 10wks, got good results from this one. 3rd cycle was 10wk 500mg test e + 400mg EQ - wasnt sure if I wanted to use the EQ but decided to since I had a couple bottles, so really I only used the eq for about 8wks. Was gona do 15wk Test E and 13wk EQ but My order was delayed and did not come when I expected it to even though I gave ample time for error/delay when I ordered. Yea I know, should have had the products on hand before starting. So I had to end the cycle prematurely because my test levels would have came back down near baseline by the time I got my things.

What cycle experience do you have?

pct = Wk 13-17: Nolva-40/30/20/20/20 Clomid-100/50/50/25/25

i guess i feel that if I pyramid the dbol dosages then I can allow my body to react to the compound more efficiently and appropriately while @ the same time figuring out what dose is best for me (that I can tolerate) whether it be 20 or 30mg ed. If I start out @ 10mg and start getting headaches and backaches and what not then idk what I will do so starting @ 10mg is basically just to see how my body reacts to the compound in low dose, then when I bump up ot 20mg-if sides like acne and headache come into play more then I will no not to bump up to 30mg and would just stay @ 20 for the remaining x amount of weeks. If I can tolerate then I will bump to 30mg. you see what I mean?

as far as a liver protectant goes, so you think that I should take both the liv 52 and milk thistle while taking the dbol then right? Or do you mean take one liver protectant or the other? do you have any experience with the liv-52 product?

Seems to be the best way forward, hit full dose from the start.

ok so you recommend that I start out @ 20mg from day 1 or 30mg?

[busaboy27]

i hit it 50mg for 6 weeks... all i get are headaches but not often... its on u... but dont bother ramping.. use live rprotect either one.... ur not gonna stay on the d for along time so its not to worry.. liver aids hinder gains to a point but... but starting low it still not gonna hit for a week or so.. then u only got couple weeks left

[busaboy27]

3 weeks after ur starting your pct? enanthate is usually 2 weeks.. so cyp is only acting a little longer.. might want to check that out.. reason for running nolva the whole time?

[BGIZZLE8629]

Alright so should I start out @ 20mg or 30 since this is my first time using dbol? Also, I will be starting pct about 15-16 days after last test inj and will be running clen in pct as well. I am using the nolva ed throughout bc I'm kind of gyno prone.

[busaboy27]

run it full strength dont ramp...take the 30..... i would do 50 but thats me...split the doses through the day.... why the clen?

[sigman roid]

pct 18 days after last shot test cyp

[hankdiesel]

I did dbol once and thought it was weak. If I was you I'd do 40mg for 4-5 weeks.

[BGIZZLE8629]

run it full strength dont ramp...take the 30..... i would do 50 but thats me...split the doses through the day.... why the clen?

alright. ill just start out @30 then - you sure that I shouldnt start @10 or 20 for like 1-2days? and when you split the dosages, do you just take one (10mg) tab in the morning, one before you workout or w/lunch (on non lifting days), and one before bed?

the clen is to help keep cortisol levels to a minimum and make sure that recovery is 100% w/o any fat gain. Never tried it before but really wana do it this time around.

Oh and you said either one of the liver protectants - but not both right? will it hinder gains too much if I take both the milk thistle and liv52?

I did dbol once and thought it was weak. If I was you I'd do 40mg for 4-5 weeks.

Did you use liver protectants during those 4-5wks? also, did you pyramid up with dosages or start out @ 40mg from day 1?

[bene7422]

yes start at 30mg and no need to pyramid,as far as the liver protectants run 1 or the other,running both could hinder gains further

[BGIZZLE8629]

I just recieved terrible news today! I was in a pretty bad car accident recently and one of the docs told me today that I would have to wait another 9wks before I can lift again! I was and still am devistated from that news! I was orginally told that I could get back in the gym about 4wks after getting out of the hospital, but now they said I should wait 12wks from when the accident occured which was almost 3wks ago

I had a brain bruise (contusion of the brain), concussion, severe whip lash, and deep shoulder contusion. I dont doubt that the doc is wrong @ all I am just even more depressed now that I cant get back into the gym for over 2 more months.

The wreck couldnt have happened at a worse time either. I had just completed about 2wks of pct when the accident occured and I was in the hospital for a few days, then went home and was prescribed percacet for pain which was pretty intense. I had to get a refill on the prescription. but thats besides the point..... i couldnt take the nolva and clomid because I cant take any supplements or other prescription pills while taking the pain medication and bc I have to let my brain heal properly w/o taking things of the sort that manipulate different areas of the brain.

So to sum it all up, it has been a pretty bad post-cycle so far. I have put on body fat and I think that the slight gyno I had before has increased so Im very disappointed and depressed right now about my whole situation! Its really killing me because I cant get to the gym to try to shed fat and cant take my pct meds!

What input, advice, suggestions can you guys give to me about my situation? How can I lose the fat that I have put on? How can I recover properly? I know my hormones are completely out of wack because I have acne pretty bad and I never get acne! Can somebody please help me out here? I may start a new thread for all of this but wanted to see if I could get some responses here first. Thanks again

[BGIZZLE8629]

bump for any feedback on my last post. if I dont get any here then i will start a new thread for it i guess

[BGIZZLE8629]

well i started a new thread in the proper forum concerning my car accident and injuries and havent gotten much help at all..... anyways, i have another ? about dbol - how bad is it on mpb compared to test cyp or enanthate?

[ninesecz]

I take Percoset , Methadone Etc for a back injury and there is no reason you can not take nolva or clomid Who told you this??

[BGIZZLE8629]

Also, when I was in the hospital, they said that there was a high amount of "sipro" in my blood.........? Does that mean that the nolva/clomid ive been taking are fake? Why would either of those show up as the ANTIBIOTIC: Sipro ??

[BGIZZLE8629]

bump my last post question - any thoughts on why I had sipro in my blood when i have never taken that substance?

also, nobody ever said anything about the a-dex/nolva questions that i had. should i take 10 or 20mg of nolva ed throughout? keep in mind that i am kinda gyno prone. thanks again

[ninesecz]

I would get some liquidex for during and just use nolva if you notice gyno starting

[wukillabee]

Why u upping the test dose? U dont need to up ur test dose 100mg per cycle bro, stay at 500mg for a few cycles. Id run the cycle longer, 10 weeks seems bare min for long esters imo. Dbol id start at 30 mg first go for a couple weeks and go from there with the dose. Liver supps while on methyls, makes no sense. How can u tax ur liver and repair it at the same time? Doesnt work, save the liver supps for when u finish the dbol. U dont want dbol sides so ur running it low, everything has sides bro, low balling things especially 10-20mg my God will just be a waste of dbol. Taurine 3-5g and bananas ed can help with any back pumps. Cant help much on the injury part, not a nurse or doctor. Good luck! Oh, if ur only able to run nolva then id do it 10mg eod, has a half life of like 3 days i think. If gyno symps still pop up then id up the dose to 20mg ed but im sure they wont if u start 10mg eod from day one of cycle.

[johnCash]

ya id definately listen to your doc and wait the recommended time to heal. its only another month or 2. mainly cause of the brain injury and concussion, you dont want to joke around with that. and you cant always be in the best shape of your life, theres ups and downs in any weight lifting career. when i was a bit younger i worked out for almost 2 years straight, then i broke my arm and nearly lost it all but whatever. 2 years later i gained it right back.
and what kind of dboll do you have? sounds like the pinks. if you have the pinks, id start right at 30g because the sides from 20 and 30 will b the same. 10g is a total waste of time and money. if you have the 20g capsules, def start at 40g atleast.
also what was you mpb like from the test? i have mpb and i didnt notice it get worse from the dbols, but ive heard people say that it did for them.

[stringed bean]

hit dbol fully from day 1 to end..split the 4 tabs evenly throughout the day, taking one first thing in the morning and your last before bed.

i just ran a 4 week cycle of dbol with test cyp for the first time and 40mg ED i found i went up big in strength and put on about 14 pounds. by that time your test should be kicked in.

also i found dbol dried out my joints big time, especially my left shoulder which i dislocate all the time, and my elbows from heavy skulls. so i would reccomend picking up some joint grease or a good supp for that purpose..id stay away from glucosamine unless you're already taking it since it take about 4 weeks to kick in, and by that time your going to be hurtin.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Why u upping the test dose? U dont need to up ur test dose 100mg per cycle bro, stay at 500mg for a few cycles. Id run the cycle longer, 10 weeks seems bare min for long esters imo. Dbol id start at 30 mg first go for a couple weeks and go from there with the dose. Liver supps while on methyls, makes no sense. How can u tax ur liver and repair it at the same time? Doesnt work, save the liver supps for when u finish the dbol. U dont want dbol sides so ur running it low, everything has sides bro, low balling things especially 10-20mg my God will just be a waste of dbol. Taurine 3-5g and bananas ed can help with any back pumps. Cant help much on the injury part, not a nurse or doctor. Good luck! Oh, if ur only able to run nolva then id do it 10mg eod, has a half life of like 3 days i think. If gyno symps still pop up then id up the dose to 20mg ed but im sure they wont if u start 10mg eod from day one of cycle.

Im upping it bc the cyp. is dosed @ 200mg/ml so its more convenient to shoot 1.5ml 2x/wk rather than 1.25ml 2x/wk. With the little bit of oil lost between needles and the tip of the syringe, i think that measuring a quarter of a ml is kind of stupid. I have decided to start @ 30mg on the dbol and WILL be taking milk thistle during dbol. I dont want my liver values getting all out of wack and to me its better to be safe than sorry sometimes... just thinking about liver problems, failure, jaundice, and other things makes me weary! I dont wana take a chance on fluctuating hormone levels w taking eod so i will start @ 10mg ed and go from there. Thanks a lot for your help bro!

ya id definately listen to your doc and wait the recommended time to heal. its only another month or 2. mainly cause of the brain injury and concussion, you dont want to joke around with that. and you cant always be in the best shape of your life, theres ups and downs in any weight lifting career. when i was a bit younger i worked out for almost 2 years straight, then i broke my arm and nearly lost it all but whatever. 2 years later i gained it right back.
and what kind of dboll do you have? sounds like the pinks. if you have the pinks, id start right at 30g because the sides from 20 and 30 will b the same. 10g is a total waste of time and money. if you have the 20g capsules, def start at 40g atleast.
also what was you mpb like from the test? i have mpb and i didnt notice it get worse from the dbols, but ive heard people say that it did for them.

its kind of hard to tell what the mpb from the test was... i guess i noticed it a little bit but it was definitely affected really bad when i did the tren/winny cycle a few years ago! dont do tren/winny if you're looking to keep your hair! I am definitely hoping that the dbol doesnt have a worse effect than the test. I will be using either nioxin or nizoral 2% throughout entire cycle just for a little reassurance. thanks for the advice

hit dbol fully from day 1 to end..split the 4 tabs evenly throughout the day, taking one first thing in the morning and your last before bed.

i just ran a 4 week cycle of dbol with test cyp for the first time and 40mg ED i found i went up big in strength and put on about 14 pounds. by that time your test should be kicked in.

also i found dbol dried out my joints big time, especially my left shoulder which i dislocate all the time, and my elbows from heavy skulls. so i would reccomend picking up some joint grease or a good supp for that purpose..id stay away from glucosamine unless you're already taking it since it take about 4 weeks to kick in, and by that time your going to be hurtin.

yea i will split the dosages but will be starting @ 30mg rather than 40...may go up to 40 though if all goes well... i will be taking a hefty amount of ***** 3's during cycle to help w any kind of joint problems. Does it really take 4wks for glucosamine to kick in? Ive never heard that

[stringed bean]

Do 30mg at first if you want but IMO it would be better to just hit it 40mg from first day to last. took a litle over a week for my dbol to kick in,then you only have 3 weeks left so you want to get the most out of it. also, 40mg ED is said to be a good dose for first timers.

yea i will split the dosages but will be starting @ 30mg rather than 40...may go up to 40 though if all goes well... i will be taking a hefty amount of ***** 3's during cycle to help w any kind of joint problems. Does it really take 4wks for glucosamine to kick in? Ive never heard that

you might want to pick up another supp for joint suppot. im taking a really good oil sup now I just cant list the name i wish i could..also a good joint support supp..when i get to 25 posts i think it is i can PM you the name of the products.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Do 30mg at first if you want but IMO it would be better to just hit it 40mg from first day to last. took a litle over a week for my dbol to kick in,then you only have 3 weeks left so you want to get the most out of it. also, 40mg ED is said to be a good dose for first timers.



you might want to pick up another supp for joint suppot. im taking a really good oil sup now I just cant list the name i wish i could..also a good joint support supp..when i get to 25 posts i think it is i can PM you the name of the products.

yea i feel more comfortable starting @ 30mg...i will be taking a multi + omeygas + possibly acetyl carnitine ed throughout

how did your body react to the dbol as far as acne/oily skin and atrophy?

BUMP for any additional tips, advice, or suggestions related to estrogen control, mpb, liver protection, or anything else that would be useful to know for my cycle.

Thanks again to all.

[stringed bean]

no negative sides as of yet man besides nipples are a bit puffy.

good luck with your cycle.

[BGIZZLE8629]

no negative sides as of yet man besides nipples are a bit puffy.

good luck with your cycle.

ok so you're finished w/your 4wk cycle of dbol or you just started? are/were you taking any nolva/a-dex for estrogen control during?

SO.....

....nobody else has any advice to give about anything huh?

[stringed bean]

ok so you're finished w/your 4wk cycle of dbol or you just started? are/were you taking any nolva/a-dex for estrogen control during?

Yes, i finished about 2 and half weeks ago. This was my first cycle of juice so I didnt take anything for gyno or estrogen control becuase i wanted to see how i would react without it and so far, so good.

[amateur88]

i was doing 30mg and thought it was poo tbh, but that is a standard start dose tbh, im gonna up it to 60mg a day next time!

[BGIZZLE8629]

60mg sounds really high to me right now. Ill prolly stick w 30mg and maybe up it to 40 afterthe first week or so

BUMP for other advice on how to run nolva/adex during cycle and what the est dosages would be. I've heard of ppl taking both arimidex and nolvadex during a cycle....how did that go?

Also, any additional tips advice or experiences with dbol and mpb would be great! Thanks again

[ninesecz]

test cyp is too long of an ester for a 10 week cycle

[BGIZZLE8629]

test cyp is too long of an ester for a 10 week cycle

so you think 12wks @ 500mg/wk would be better then?

[BGIZZLE8629]

bump

will be starting cycle in about a wk

any additional tips/advice about: minimizing hair loss, ancilleries, nolva-dosing for gyno prone, and anything else I left out are welcome!

thanks again

[BGIZZLE8629]

Should i start the nolva a couple days-a wk before the 1st dbol + test pin or just start it the same day???

[wukillabee]

^^^^^^ for what he said.. hit d-bol.full strength beginning to end.. split up doses through the day seems to keep sides down... levels out better

Agreed! Never heard of 10mg dbol a day, what a waste. Why beat around the bush? Im gonna start 40mg ed my first go with dbol and figure it out from there if the dose needs to be adjusted. If ur super cautious (which it seems u r 10mg ed), just start at 30mg ed from day one and by week 3 im sure youll figure out if u need to up, lower, or stay with that dose depending on gains and negative sides.

[wukillabee]

Should i start the nolva a couple days-a wk before the 1st dbol + test pin or just start it the same day???

Yes, yes, and yes. It seems u already know the answers, u just want our reassurance. Imo, 12 week min for long esters of test, id say 14 weeks to be prime, 10 weeks kinda on the low side. For the gyno prone questions, i believe this is all covered in warmachine (where the hell is that guy!?!) sticky up top, very good read. He just needs to update it about 19-nors on cycle of what to do. For u here, yes, u can start the nolva day one of cycle. I dont see any reason to start ur nolva before cycle. Would u start hcg before cycle? No. Youll be fine bro. The real question is, u gonna make a log on here when u do it? Im gonna start my cycle in a couple weeks too, should be interesting on how i do it.