gyno proof cycle

**castertroy** · 05-16-2009, 08:18 AM

stats: 26 5'10 210lbs bf 11%
done 5 cycles. used : eq, test, deca , var, winny, tren

im doing a 12 week prop, tren cycle soon. i have some gyno but have kept it under control for years with letro @ .25 ed on cycle. But i am getting sick of the inhibiting gains effect of letro. want all u can get from the gear of course.
also, im going to be doing a 6 month cycle after i recover. i recover quickly from cycles so i would like to find out how i would react. but i dont want to use letro that long.
should i use adex instead, or nolva? nolva and tren dont mix well, so what do you guys think.

**busaboy27** · 05-16-2009, 08:20 AM

12 weeks on tren a? or e

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 08:33 AM

Why don't you just get the operation to remove the gyno?

**J-Dogg** · 05-16-2009, 10:31 AM

If you want to AVOID gyno, stay away from tren .

Primo/Tbol or anavar would probably be your best bet.

**castertroy** · 05-16-2009, 12:27 PM

using tren ace, poking every day
cant afford the surgery.
not a fan of anavar .
it doesnt get worst ( even on tren) when i use letro. i just dont want to use letro for a long time. not good for you to keep your estrogen too low for long. what else can i take?

**J-Dogg** · 05-16-2009, 12:55 PM

Primo
Mast
Tbol
Anavar
EQ

those are your basic low armonitizing drugs. They are not going to be as strong as some of your other compounds, there is no mirical AS that has zero sides, massive gains and cheap.

**Buildingmuscle** · 05-16-2009, 03:14 PM

every cycle is different for me,, my nips usually get really sore and puffy and i would always use my nolva, adex, but the past couple cycles i done when the nips started to get tender, i tuffed it out until the end of my cycle and it seemed to get better as the weeks went by then when i went off it went back to normal.. so now i just keep nolva and adex on hand,, and of course do the proper pct.. so if your not wanting to inhibit your gains by taking anything might try what i did,, like i said mine stayed puffy and sore for awhile and then after a few weeks it was all good....

**M302_Imola** · 05-16-2009, 08:00 PM

go with adex instead of the letro...you won't get the estrogen rebound effect with the adex and it will not inhibit as much estrogen as letro (thus no robbing you of your gains from your cycle),

**castertroy** · 05-16-2009, 08:14 PM

thanks guys
m302, what dose of adex do u use?
im only using test and tren now on. other ass is not nearly as good i find.

**castertroy** · 05-16-2009, 08:16 PM

also for got to add, how long can you run adex at a safe low dose for?
wanting to do 6 months straight but need to block the gyno. i wouldnt dare run letro that long.

**bifda** · 05-17-2009, 12:33 AM

to the top, i wanna know this too.

**hankdiesel** · 05-17-2009, 07:26 AM

I use the liquid letro. It works so well for me. I play around with the dose. Right now on a test/tren cycle I'm taking a 1/2ml eod. Once in a while I might get a little pain in the nipple area. This I don't mind because that shows me I'm not completely shuting down estrogen, but not enough to make the gyno worse. It the pain gets worse I simply increase the dose slightly. All the while never having any libido issues. Oh, and of coarse, letro is a much better bargin for me than arimidex .

**castertroy** · 05-17-2009, 07:51 AM

thanks hankdiesel.
i will try the adex, i heard there is no need to ladder up and down the dose to prevent estrogen rebound?
how long can i safely run it for at 1/2 ml eod? 6 months?

**The Deuce** · 05-17-2009, 08:04 AM

12 months plus .... if u are on test... i've never seen anything that says its unsafe

**Swifto** · 05-17-2009, 09:27 AM

I'm gyno prone as I have a small case and dont want t worsen it. Dont not run a form of testosterone . Your lower the A:E ratio (androgen:estrogen) and can increase your chances of gyno occurring. You should use a small dose of testosterone, use an AI, keep a SERM on hand and stay well away from 19-Nor's.

**castertroy** · 05-17-2009, 12:03 PM

i will be running tren a 75ed and prop 100 ed
my gyno doesnt get worst on tren, deca etc when using letro. the only time it developed ( and fast ) was when i did not run anything to combat it. i did testosterone and it developed between the cycle and pct because i was not taking anything to combat gyno.
im only interested in test and tren, whether it be long or short acting. and i actually loose more hair on var than i do tren lol. cant understand that.

**jamyjamjr** · 05-17-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by castertroy

stats: 26 5'10 210lbs bf 11%
done 5 cycles. used : eq, test, deca , var, winny, tren

im doing a 12 week prop, tren cycle soon. i have some gyno but have kept it under control for years with letro @ .25 ed on cycle. But i am getting sick of the inhibiting gains effect of letro. want all u can get from the gear of course.
also, im going to be doing a 6 month cycle after i recover. i recover quickly from cycles so i would like to find out how i would react. but i dont want to use letro that long.
should i use adex instead, or nolva? nolva and tren dont mix well, so what do you guys think.

just finished up a tren/prop cycle....

run a-dex at .3mg eod and make sure ur running caber .25mg is fine... i had no issues with my cycle and i started at a bf a bit higher then i would have liked (about 20%)... gains were a little hindered though...

**M302_Imola** · 05-18-2009, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by castertroy

thanks guys
m302, what dose of adex do u use?
im only using test and tren now on. other ass is not nearly as good i find.

start with .25mg EOD and go from there. You might need to step that up to 50mg EOD but hopefully not, as you want to use as little as an amount as possible to keep from hindering gains.