Crit this Havoc cycle (first cycle)

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 08:36 AM

Stats:
height 6ft 4
weight 220lbs
bf 11%
training 2.5yrs

im planning on taking it for 5 weeks

Havoc (mg): 20/30/40/40/40
"Perfect cycle": 2caps twice a day (should i continue this into pct?)

PCT (starts 24hrs after last havoc tab)

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

im guessing i missed something, if so please mention it

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:04 AM

Yes your missing the rubbish bin to throw your Havoc in.

**busaboy27** · 05-16-2009, 09:07 AM

^^^^^ garbage day is on tuesdays out here..

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 09:07 AM

agreed^^^^

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 09:11 AM

i dont want to go right into something strong like test e, i want to try something mild first to see how i respond. does the pct look ok?

**busaboy27** · 05-16-2009, 09:15 AM

doing a basic test only cycle is what you do to see how you respond... the havoc is nothing... a waste of money and time.. and ur running a pct anyways might as well do something real.... the sides on test are monimal.. to a point.. sometimes the otc stuff messes u op more.. liver and so on...

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 09:18 AM

ive no idea where to get test e for a start, havoc is pretty easy to google. + i'd have to buy all the needles etc..

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 09:21 AM

thats just how it is bro

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:22 AM

You would be better spending the money on extra food rather than that rubbish, take note of what everyone as said,

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 09:23 AM

i thought steroids were legal here in the UK? (for personal use)

anywho, i think i'll try this 5weeks on havoc then maybe go for 8 weeks on test e later this year. ive seen some good before/afters of people on havoc so it cant be THAT bad

edit:

Originally Posted by marcus300

You would be better spending the money on extra food rather than that rubbish, take note of what everyone as said,

my diet is perfect, im on a slow constant bulk while in ketosis

**CHAP** · 05-16-2009, 09:25 AM

I have to argee with everone Havoc in no good . Walmart mulivitamin gives better results

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:26 AM

Your in the UK?? there are loads of places to get gear from,

DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON RUBBISH

**Swifto** · 05-16-2009, 09:27 AM

WTF!

Havoc/Epistane has given a lot of people decent results.

Anyone here actually run Havoc?

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

WTF!

Havoc/Epistane has given a lot of people decent results.

Anyone here actually run Havoc?

I personally havent but do know alot of people who have and they didnt rate it at all, i think for the money and possible sides your far better off running a low dose test cycle IMHO, cant stand these type of products to be truthfull they just to market the pussies of the world

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Your in the UK?? there are loads of places to get gear from,

I'm sure there are but i dont talk to any of the people in my gym, i just go there stick in my ipod, get it done, go home and eat. So i'd never find out and source for that stuff...

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by okokok

I'm sure there are but i dont talk to any of the people in my gym, i just go there stick in my ipod, get it done, go home and eat. So i'd never find out and source for that stuff...

Yep, if you dont seek you wont find.

**Swifto** · 05-16-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I personally havent but do know alot of people who have and they didnt rate it at all, i think for the money and possible sides your far better off running a low dose test cycle IMHO, cant stand these type of products to be truthfull they just to market the pussies of the world

I've just done a Hdrol cycle and gained a solid 7lbs, kept the lot.

Running Epi next week.

Your just a ****ing dinosaur arnt you Marcus!

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I've just done a Hdrol cycle and gained a solid 7lbs, kept the lot.

Running Epi next week.

Your just a ****ing dinosaur arnt you Marcus!

Well thats great, but personally I would rather wear Trouser's than a dress Swifty xx

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 09:42 AM

Please read our rules before you post again.
Thanks.

**Swifto** · 05-16-2009, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Well thats great, but personally I would rather wear Trouser's than a dress Swifty xx

Hahaha....Lol.

Cheers oldie!

**Swifto** · 05-16-2009, 09:44 AM

You cant openly ask for sources mate.

Read the Rules buddy.

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:45 AM

I cant do that,edit your post... but carry on with what ever your doing, you look to be on the right track, best of luck and let us know how it goes.

**marcus300** · 05-16-2009, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Hahaha....Lol.

Cheers oldie!

No problem SON

**AdamGH** · 05-16-2009, 09:48 AM

since I couldnt get the real deal, I did a spawn cycle. I have a log in the supplement section.

Spawn - 4 week impressions - cycle results

it is possible to get some gains from the otc stuff. I gained like 20 lbs.

**okokok** · 05-16-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by AdamGH

since I couldnt get the real deal, I did a spawn cycle. I have a log in the supplement section.

Spawn - 4 week impressions - cycle results

it is possible to get some gains from the otc stuff. I gained like 20 lbs.

Nice results there, you looks like a fatass at first (no offense) now you're looking much better.

I might google that spawn stuff also (to compare it to havoc).

**oak2429** · 05-16-2009, 05:50 PM

havoc is in spawn and ull get good results with both. my 2 fav prohormones are mdrol and hdrol

**AdamGH** · 05-17-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by okokok

Nice results there, you looks like a fatass at first (no offense) now you're looking much better.

I might google that spawn stuff also (to compare it to havoc).

no offense taken but if u follow the timeline i put on the pics you we will see it differently. the first pic is 05/08!, the second pic was me after i finished cutting 01/09, then the last pics are after the spawn cycle 5/09(full year later).. yes i was fat ass but not while taking the cycle.

**okokok** · 05-17-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AdamGH

no offense taken but if u follow the timeline i put on the pics you we will see it differently. the first pic is 05/08!, the second pic was me after i finished cutting 01/09, then the last pics are after the spawn cycle 5/09(full year later).. yes i was fat ass but not while taking the cycle.

sorry, the US date format confuses me, can you post b4 and after cycle pics so i can compare? thanks a lot

**Swifto** · 05-17-2009, 03:36 PM

I loved Halodrol by CEL. But then, I love Tbol too.

Made me more vascular, strength went up and got a little size. Its the best legal androgen to start with IMHO.

Next, in order or sides/gains, being Epistane.

I've read mixed reviews on Havoc, I'd go with I B E's Epistane or Humaguno (think its spelt like that).

**okokok** · 05-17-2009, 05:21 PM

Im going with spawn, perfect cycle and nolvadex for pct. thnx

PT · 05-17-2009, 05:44 PM

i hate those prohormons. you seem to get more sides then results with them but i guess if i couldnt get steroids ever again and i had no other choice i would use them

**AUb27** · 05-17-2009, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

WTF!

Havoc/Epistane has given a lot of people decent results.

Anyone here actually run Havoc?

ya.. i just ran it like 20/30/30/30 and have to agree that it was a complete waste of time. i may have got bigger but also seem to have become more bloated in my abs. i was around 195 after it and am already back down to 190 in my 3rd week of PCT. didnt get any stronger. hdrol was unreal (huge strength gains and leaned out, too bad it rips your liver), havoc blows. probly gona try var next..