another anavar question

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 09:53 AM

Ok I'm learning alot from this forum thank you for all the good work it's appreciated. This might be a stupid question but I'm here to learn. I'm and experianced lifter 30 years old 6' 2'' 275 lbs lean cut but not as tight as I want to be. I have never done a cycle I've always grown and had alot fo strength naturally and from diet and supplements. I have 100 anavar pills thats all I have would 20mgs a day till the 100 runs out do anything or better to do 40mgs a day? that being said I think 40mgs comes out to 3 1/2 weeks is that a waste or not. If not would I need a few weeks of clomid if I can find it or that short of a cycle would not need it and be pointless. Thanks for your time and effort on my posts.

**Drake Hotel** · 05-16-2009, 10:09 AM

20mg a day would probably be sufficient to give some slight mass gains as well as strength gains due to increased creatine production.

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 10:16 AM

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**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:06 AM

So at a dose that low would I need to even bother with clomid or anything else when I'm done?

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

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it's a question I assumed this was here to ask questions for people new to this.

**Phate** · 05-16-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Indeed

Ok I'm learning alot from this forum thank you for all the good work it's appreciated. This might be a stupid question but I'm here to learn. I'm and experianced lifter 30 years old 6' 2'' 275 lbs lean cut but not as tight as I want to be. I have never done a cycle I've always grown and had alot fo strength naturally and from diet and supplements. I have 100 anavar pills thats all I have would 20mgs a day till the 100 runs out do anything or better to do 40mgs a day? that being said I think 40mgs comes out to 3 1/2 weeks is that a waste or not. If not would I need a few weeks of clomid if I can find it or that short of a cycle would not need it and be pointless. Thanks for your time and effort on my posts.

first off, why anavar ? why not a real first cycle instead of an oral only

second, it's not enough anavar

Originally Posted by Drake Hotel

20mg a day would probably be sufficient to give some slight mass gains as well as strength gains due to increased creatine production.

enhanced creatine production, explain this one further as well as cite studies if you don't mind

Originally Posted by Indeed

So at a dose that low would I need to even bother with clomid or anything else when I'm done?

yes, you should ALWAYS pct

Originally Posted by Indeed

it's a question I assumed this was here to ask questions for people new to this.

here is some good info on anavar

Avavar FAQ
Written by XBiker
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 11:16 AM

indeed sorry bro that was nt directed at you.as for your question at 20mg a day that would be about 7 weeks its a very low dose but i think you would still need a light pct something like 50mg of clomid for 2 weeks should be ok imo

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

indeed sorry bro that was nt directed at you.as for your question at 20mg a day that would be about 7 weeks its a very low dose but i think you would still need a light pct something like 50mg of clomid for 2 weeks should be ok imo

I realized that after I posted it sorry man, Im new to it and assumed since I always got great gains natural that half of a week cycle would be fine for me but I'm learning thats not the way it works. correct me if I'm wrong the information I'm learning from you guys is great thank you again.

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:29 AM

I'm also just going to ask a stupid question or I guess more of a statement but better to ask someone with knowledge, even for a week oral like anavar for only 4 weeks the stuff in stores like noveldex by gaspari or something similiar is crap right, you need the real thing like clomid?

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 11:29 AM

As phate said why do you want to do an oral cycle opposed to a injectable first cycle?

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Indeed

I'm also just going to ask a stupid question or I guess more of a statement but better to ask someone with knowledge, even for a week oral like anavar for only 4 weeks the stuff in stores like noveldex by gaspari or something similiar is crap right, you need the real thing like clomid?

thats right bro its crap you have to get the real deal

**Phate** · 05-16-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

thats right bro its crap you have to get the real deal

agreed^^^

we can't talk specific prices but the real stuff is around the same price anyway

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

As phate said why do you want to do an oral cycle opposed to a injectable first cycle?

I know injectable is safer but from looking from what I want to do make some gains based on stength and tighten up my stomach with the least side effects I thought anavar was the way to go. With how far I got natural I figured the weekest one would have awsome results for me but maybe I'm wrong. But I got the anavar so just looking for the best way to use it if I even should at all.

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:43 AM

I also forgot to put in the first question I'm on androgel legit because I need it I get blood tests every 6 months keeps me in normal range. I'm also on synthroid again legit because I need it. Anavar seemed to be the one that would effect these meds the least so thats where I stand right now. Very open to suggestions.

**Phate** · 05-16-2009, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Indeed

I know injectable is safer but from looking from what I want to do make some gains based on stength and tighten up my stomach with the least side effects I thought anavar was the way to go. With how far I got natural I figured the weekest one would have awsome results for me but maybe I'm wrong. But I got the anavar so just looking for the best way to use it if I even should at all.

anavar is okay for your goals, here's what i would do

first, go to the diet section and let us help you there so everything is in order before the cycle

get some more anavar and run at 60mg/day for 6-8 weeks with clen to aid in the fat burning

run a good pct

**sigman roid** · 05-16-2009, 11:47 AM

agreed^^^^^^

**Indeed** · 05-16-2009, 11:50 AM

great, thanks for the patience guys, is it bad to take the pre-work out stuff while on, like no explode or armageddon I've been on the stuff so long I think it's just in my head that I need the caffeine.

**Phate** · 05-16-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Indeed

great, thanks for the patience guys, is it bad to take the pre-work out stuff while on, like no explode or armageddon I've been on the stuff so long I think it's just in my head that I need the caffeine.

it's not bad, kinda of a waste though IMO, you won't need it with anavar , your choice though, just watch your blood pressure

**Necrosaro** · 05-16-2009, 12:10 PM

By the look of things he really doesn't want to grow. A good diet and anavar could get him the results he wants or at lease help him towards that goal.

**bcbrett** · 05-16-2009, 04:27 PM

From my experience anything less then 60mg ed has no noticeable effect. That is however from my experience. everyone is different.

**Drake Hotel** · 05-17-2009, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

enhanced creatine production, explain this one further as well as cite studies if you don't mind

I suppose I expressed myself a bit sloppy. This is second-hand knowledge so I'm afraid I don't have any sources, but apparently anavar is supposed to increase levels of phosphocreatine in muscle mass, leading to greater strength and recuperative ability.

**Indeed** · 05-17-2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

anavar is okay for your goals, here's what i would do

first, go to the diet section and let us help you there so everything is in order before the cycle

get some more anavar and run at 60mg/day for 6-8 weeks with clen to aid in the fat burning

run a good pct

just laughing because I was out with my friend last night and he said use clen to, I read the forums on clen and understand the 2 weeks on and 2 off and going up with the doses does that still apply when stacking it with the anavar? Should I take them at the same time as the anavar or different times? Not to change the thread but a side question would clen use alone warrent doing clomid after the cycle. Thank you again for all that reply for your patience with all my questions and your knowledge much appreciated. Caffeine with the clen to much stress on heart rate?

**sigman roid** · 05-17-2009, 10:43 AM

clen use alone would not require pct as it is not a steroid

**Phate** · 05-17-2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

clen use alone would not require pct as it is not a steroid

agreed^^^

**sigman roid** · 05-17-2009, 11:08 AM

sorry to hijack but hows the s4 going phate?

**Phate** · 05-17-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by sigman roid

sorry to hijack but hows the s4 going phate?

it's fine, just starting to kick in, i'm writing any changes in my daily log

**sigman roid** · 05-17-2009, 12:35 PM

yeah i been over there and had a look i'll keep checking very intrested to see the results you get

**Indeed** · 05-19-2009, 07:56 AM

Ok so with all this being said I have enough anavar for 40 mgs for 25 days from what I read that would not do anything and be a waste correct me if I'm wrong, especially from my size, strength and training experiance ( stated above) plus from my understanding I would still need clomid even though I'm on androgel , again correct me if I'm wrong I'm thinking I should just get rid of it and do something better when I'm ready as my main thoughts are I want to do it right, might not be ready because I have thoughts I might not be able to stay in and not drink LOL I know thats bad don't blast me and I'm already at a point where people do it to get to where I am natural please share some input and advice thanks again guys.

**sigman roid** · 05-19-2009, 08:04 AM

personally i dont think its worth doing 25days and yes you would still need some form of pct,if i was you i would wait until i was ready to do a proper cycle and you were sure you could stop drinking while on cycle

**MR10X** · 05-19-2009, 08:52 AM

I have done some Anavar /HCG cycles and they were pretty decent with no bad sides.You wouldnt need a PCT with HCG taken twice a week. Nothing at all wrong with doing a light first cycle.

**sigman roid** · 05-19-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by MR10X

I have done some Anavar/HCG cycles and they were pretty decent with no bad sides.You wouldnt need a PCT with HCG taken twice a week. Nothing at all wrong with doing a light first cycle.

are you saying you would not need pct when doing var?

**MR10X** · 05-19-2009, 09:47 AM

Yes HCG would keep your own test level up so it wont be surpressed. My first cycle was this combo and it worked well for me. I was new to ASS at the time 1980 and this what the guys suggested for me. I did another cycle just like it for the second one and then went to more and bigger doses after that.

**sigman roid** · 05-19-2009, 09:49 AM

we will agree to disagree on that one.lol

**MR10X** · 05-19-2009, 10:04 AM

From my personal experience,i didnt need any PCT.

**Phate** · 05-19-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by MR10X

From my personal experience,i didnt need any PCT.

do you have bloodwork to back it up?

**Indeed** · 05-19-2009, 12:54 PM

ok back to me LOL j/k

**Indeed** · 05-21-2009, 06:07 PM

not that I anticipate it but covering all the potential problems any problems with taking cialis if needed while on anavar , also any problems with staying on androgel and synthroid both of which are prescriptions?