Prop, Winny, need help w/ estro sides

[Lemonada8]

Ok, this is going to be my second cycle, i learned that i am gyno prone throughout cycle... i have pubertal gyno naturally, and it just got bigger... so i am lookin to try a estrogen med to help minimize that... this is my cycle that i am going to do...

prop 100mg ED 8 weeks
Winny 100mg ED 8 weeks

PCT
Nolva 100/60/40 (1 day, 10 days, 10 days)
HCG (if i can get my hands on it...) 500iu EOD for 2 weeks

what i am needing help on is the dosage of letro, or nolva during the cycle... ive seen that letro should be used at around .25mg ED.. .but then u need to start runnin nolva also? when would i need to start doin that? or would just running like 20mg ED of nolva during the cycle would help minimize it...? Any thoughts/comments would be great!

[doctorclaus]

its the prop it tends to aromatize very easily i would do sust or test e..... also call me crazy anyone.. i had gyno from puberty and im on the same boat as you are, i used pills called estroblock while cyclin and they worked awesome. im not tryin to push anything im just sayin

[peachfuzz]

Ok, this is going to be my second cycle, i learned that i am gyno prone throughout cycle... i have pubertal gyno naturally, and it just got bigger... so i am lookin to try a estrogen med to help minimize that... this is my cycle that i am going to do...

prop 100mg ED 8 weeks
Winny 100mg ED 8 weeks

PCT
Nolva 100/60/40 (1 day, 10 days, 10 days) 40/40/20/20 is a much better split. more doesnt mean better.

HCG (if i can get my hands on it...) 500iu EOD for 2 weeks i would do 500IU every 5 days or 250IU EOD and start mid cycle and drop a week before post cycle.

what i am needing help on is the dosage of letro, or nolva during the cycle... ive seen that letro should be used at around .25mg ED.. .but then u need to start runnin nolva also? when would i need to start doin that? or would just running like 20mg ED of nolva during the cycle would help minimize it...? Any thoughts/comments would be great!

see bold. ^

winstrol can help alleviate estrogenic sides to a degree.

that being said 10mg of Nolva ED on cycle should be plenty. if you want to run an AI on cycle i would choose something milder like arimidex and save the letro for emergencies.

[Lemonada8]

ok, so would i still need to take the 100mg of nolva on the first day then 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20... but the hcg everything ive read said that a dose of 500iu EOD is best.....

ok so i will save the letro for later... so another question... i have nolva powder... could i inject that at the same time as the prop/winny?

[peachfuzz]

10mg from day 1 and then 40/40/20/20 for post cycle.

do not inject the powder. cap it

there are a million protocols for running HCG. higher doses can damage the testes. you better off the way i outlined IMO.

also i would advise the additon of clomid at 50/50/50/50 for an eight weeker you really dont need HCG if you add the clomid.

[Lemonada8]

ok... i ran HCG last time at that dosage and i thought it helped... and ive heard alot of bad sides with clomid, and i would rather just keep the same nolva goin and not mix to many meds...

[peachfuzz]

again many different protocols for HCG. if you feel it worked then go for it.

on a side note alot of the sides experienced with clomid are caused by the rediculous doses that some people run.

[Lemonada8]

ok thanks man!

[WARMachine]

"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

Stickies brutha!

[Lemonada8]

^^ i read that

thats where i saw that u should start runnin nolva along with letro.. just needed some help with the dosing

[WARMachine]

^^ i read that

thats where i saw that u should start runnin nolva along with letro.. just needed some help with the dosing

WTF?

My thread says NO such thing. You need to read it again.

Nolvadex reduces the effectiveness of Letrozole. Not to mention Letro sucks anyway...I think you are refering to the section on handling the estrogen rebound effect that comes with Letro use. In which you supplement further with another AI or SERM.

Like i said, read it again.

[LexusIS09]

^^ i read that thats where i saw that u should start runnin nolva along with letro

I highly doubt any sticky told you to run Letro & nolvadex together. They're defs not synergistic.

Edit: ^^ sorry war, didn't see that post. hah.

[Lemonada8]

ahh ok thats where i misread... good thing i asked

[marcmoran]

its the prop it tends to aromatize very easily i would do sust or test e..... also call me crazy anyone.. i had gyno from puberty and im on the same boat as you are, i used pills called estroblock while cyclin and they worked awesome. im not tryin to push anything im just sayin

I thought that Prop was actually the most safety Test among all Tests when we are talking about Gyno.

[bjpennnn]

intresting

[Merc.]

I thought that Prop was actually the most safety Test among all Tests when we are talking about Gyno.

There is nothing to confirm this , but I have a lot of peeps swear that the heavier - longer acting esters .. Tend to give them gyno ... I think it has something to do with 5a-R ( 5a-Reduction) .. I am currently researching some medical journals ( that were never published online) .. At this point of the research I havent found anything to substantiate it ... I am digging through everything because even if you look back on post made on message boards ( over the years you will see that people doing cycles using just a short chained esters seem to report less incidence of gyno ( there is a connection we just must make sure what it is ... like I said I feel it is going to be related to 5a-R .... This is a very interesting topic to me ...

merc.

[peachfuzz]

There is nothing to confirm this , but I have a lot of peeps swear that the heavier - longer acting esters .. Tend to give them gyno ... I think it has something to do with 5a-R ( 5a-Reduction) .. I am currently researching some medical journals ( that were never published online) .. At this point of the research I havent found anything to substantiate it ... I am digging through everything because even if you look back on post made on message boards ( over the years you will see that people doing cycles using just a short chained esters seem to report less incidence of gyno ( there is a connection we just must make sure what it is ... like I said I feel it is going to be related to 5a-R .... This is a very interesting topic to me ...

merc.

yet at the same time you have suspension which IMO produces the greatest anount of estrogenic sides.

[Lemonada8]

it could be the prop ester... its short enough to not over flow the natty test in ur body... thats where susp... its pure so it gets used right away while the prop take 3 days to fully break down... and then the test e... hey good luck finding it...

[busaboy27]

i noticed from how my friends reacted and me.. the longer the ester... more gyno...

friends did prop nothing. enanthate little bit.. as they got to cyp it seemed like it happened alot more

[marcmoran]

i noticed from how my friends reacted and me.. the longer the ester... more gyno...

friends did prop nothing. enanthate little bit.. as they got to cyp it seemed like it happened alot more

That is exactly the information I was looking for, I am planning Test P for less water retention....

[bjpennnn]

is 100mg of winny a lot injected everyday?

[peachfuzz]

yes. definately the upper end. id do 50mg ED

[Princes_Gate]

the winny would control the estro sides in my experience thats enough to do that

[bjpennnn]

and your saying 50mg ed is not?