Is this totally against the rules?

[eric1983]

I've read basically everywhere that stacking test pro and dbol is basically retarted.....i want to bulk but these are the only two things i can get right now.....is it ok to take just these.....and how much/long of each should i take? my 3rd cycle have done enanthate and enanthate with tren.....

[T-MOS]

you can do dbol/prop

how do you plan on running it? for how long?

what were your previous cycles? lengths? doses? PCT?

what are your complete stats?

age
height
weight
bodyfat%
diet
previous cycles
GOALS for this
PCT knowledge

[Bertskee]

^^beat me to it

lol

[busaboy27]

whats wrong with prop and d-bol?

[eric1983]

im 5'9" 180...cut to that from 200 by eating 4egg whites 2 yolks every morning around 7am...followed by 8-10 oz pollack (fish) with half cup mixed veggiesat 9am....2 cups salad with can of tuna for lunch...and few oz beef when i get home at 3.....usually had beef around 8pm also....my 3rd or 4th cycle....one or two with just enanthate.....12weeks.....than i did tren with enanthate tren was 6 weeks i think not sure been a while e was 12 weeks....

[eric1983]

body fat around 12 %
plan on taking nolvadex but not sure if i should take it the entire time or just after...

[T-MOS]

Age ???

[eric1983]

25 years

[eric1983]

im pretty much in the dark here....not very familiar with test prop....seems like its a shorter cycle being that you need to inject every or everyother day.....unless your using like 40 ml......

[T-MOS]

Test Prop should be injected ED for best results.

you can run it for shorter cycles since it is a shorter ester.

what exactly is it that you want to do? what are your goals for this , how long do you want to run it and at what dose

[eric1983]

thats what im asking i guess....if it is ok to use for 10-12 weeks, i would like to do so....i read average is 100-200 mgs per day...is this accurate?

[eric1983]

i want to put on as much size with these two products while staying as lean as i can....

[T-MOS]

well, 12 weeks is a lot for ED shots, and prop seems to HURT more than other esters

but if you can take the pain, go for it. you also need to figure out what dose and you didn't tell us what doses you have used in the past

[T-MOS]

i want to put on as much size with these two products while staying as lean as i can....

ok, well THAT depends 99% on your diet and training NOT the gear

[eric1983]

in the past i did 1ml twice a week of enanthate at 250mg per ml when i did that alone.....when i stacked tren and enanthate i did the same for enanthate and did 1 ml of tren everyother day i believe...i could be wrong on the tren dosage..... i guess what im asking for is suggestive doses on the prop and dbol.....

[T-MOS]

Prop is still TEST,
if you never used dbol before you can start with 30mgs ED, break up the dose during the day for the first 4 weeks

if your gonna do Prop ED, then I would go with 75mgs ED or 150 mgs EOD

[jamyjamjr]

well, 12 weeks is a lot for ED shots, and prop seems to HURT more than other esters

but if you can take the pain, go for it. you also need to figure out what dose and you didn't tell us what doses you have used in the past

i just did a 12 week ed cycle...

[T-MOS]

i just did a 12 week ed cycle...

yea well, your are a super human....he is quite the beginner....lolol

I am on ED shots as well, but I love em

[eric1983]

do u suggest nolvadex from day 1? or just post....

[T-MOS]

post unless you are prone to gyno

[eric1983]

Prop is still TEST,
if you never used dbol before you can start with 30mgs ED, break up the dose during the day for the first 4 weeks

if your gonna do Prop ED, then I would go with 75mgs ED or 150 mgs EOD

are you saying only take the dbol for four weeks? and yes its my first time with dbol