When to start

**kas3379** · 05-19-2009, 11:23 PM

I am planning on taking a 10 week cycle of deca and tren , and I before I start I have some questions to be addressed. I recently finished an 8 week cycle of a prohormone, Genetic Edge Technology's SUS500 and Tren250. I took 4 weeks of Novadex XT and tribulus terrestris as a PCT, and am preparing to begin taking the real stuff. Should I wait longer? or have my testosterone levels properly increased to safely start a real cycle?

Any advice on doses and diet are greatly appreciated, so long as my question gets answered.

Thanks!

**busaboy27** · 05-19-2009, 11:25 PM

tren and deca u dont run together... and seeing its your first cycle.. u run test only

stats
age
height
weight
body fat
planned pct
diet
lifting experience

the nolvadex u speak off is not real nolvadex.. they just used the name.. u dont run either of them for pct if your gonna cycle

***T-MOS*** · 05-19-2009, 11:26 PM

Welcome to AR

we need your stats to help you

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
GOALS for this cycle
PCT knowledge

**kas3379** · 05-19-2009, 11:42 PM

Height: 6'1"
Weight: 160 base, but I hover just under 165 at day's end.
Body fat: not sure, but not much. I'm definitely a "hardgainer"
Diet: currently? Lots of protein, lots of calories, lots of carbs. Always trying to gain weight.
planned pct: whatever you suggest that is reasonably priced. Im in college, my friends.
lifing experience: I have been lifting regularly (at least 3x weekly) for 2 years now, and off and on for the previous 2. In the past year I have added an increasing amount of cardiovascular work as well.

Goals: I would like to increase size, but not sacrifice my 6-pack.

I have been told by a few people that this is a good stack to take, what
do you think?

**busaboy27** · 05-19-2009, 11:44 PM

no cycle for you at all..... u need to gain some weight on a diet first.. u can post up in the diet section asking them for some help give them your stats and your bmr and go from there

age?

**kas3379** · 05-19-2009, 11:54 PM

Age:21

Ive tried the diets, the weight gainers, the prohormones, the creatine, nothing works for me. I have made up my mind, and it will be tough to change it. I would just like your advice on doses and diet, the things that will make the next few weeks healthier for me.

Thanks,

**jbm** · 05-19-2009, 11:58 PM

Diet is your problem... go to the diet section bro!
21 is still young for AAS!

**busaboy27** · 05-19-2009, 11:59 PM

well without the right diet you wont gain anything.. if u cycle and dont eat right you wil gain minimal and probably lose it in the end. .. plus your age is also a factor.... its all in your diet.. the money its gonna cost for your cycle,pct and food, is probably way more than your thinking.. cant talk about prices for things on here. just so you know.. aas only works as hard as you do..

**CHUCKYthentic** · 05-20-2009, 12:00 AM

OP, dont be ignorant

you came here for advice right? we re the "pros" on here right?

well if you re seeking the RIGHT advice and what to do, you need to listen to what you re being told!

1st your stats show you re not ready for AAS, and that you dont know how to diet, which is NUMBER 1!

2nd, you have done what looks to be zero research!

3rd, the compounds you chose happen to be some of the MOST SUPRESSIVE AAS you can use!

how would you like to never be able to produce enough natural testosterone for the rest of your life and not be able to function as a man?

how about not being able to achieve and erection?

**bjpennnn** · 05-20-2009, 12:04 AM

your going to grow tits faster then muscle if you run tren and deca together.

**kas3379** · 05-20-2009, 12:09 AM

I have not done much research on AAS, which is exactly what I'm trying to do here. How much of a risk would taking just the deca pose to my permanent health?

**CHUCKYthentic** · 05-20-2009, 12:11 AM

research can answer that for you

but a few of the things i mentioned in my post

regardless, you need to hold off on AAS for at LEAST 3 years and about 40 more pounds

**bjpennnn** · 05-20-2009, 12:12 AM

deca with test not that much

**busaboy27** · 05-20-2009, 12:13 AM

no cycle for you at all........... stop fishing for a answer you want to here.. cause it will always be no no matter how u ask it.. .. well you can plan on one of your college buddies taking care of your girl for you cause u wont be able too.. its kinda like that serious.... really nobody is trying to be rude here..just we are asked these same questions everyday.... basically there is nothing you can do right now besides a diet

**kas3379** · 05-20-2009, 12:15 AM

no i meant just the deca ..

**Bertskee** · 05-20-2009, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by kas3379

I am planning on taking a 10 week cycle of deca and tren , and I before I start I have some questions to be addressed. I recently finished an 8 week cycle of a prohormone, Genetic Edge Technology's SUS500 and Tren250. I took 4 weeks of Novadex XT and tribulus terrestris as a PCT, and am preparing to begin taking the real stuff. Should I wait longer? or have my testosterone levels properly increased to safely start a real cycle?

Any advice on doses and diet are greatly appreciated, so long as my question gets answered.

Thanks!

tren deca is a no no, especially for you...

if u insist on using at least read the sticky entitled Test beginner cycle info posted by PHATE... read it 5x, then reconsider whether or not you really are even ready...

that being said

EDUCATE YOUSELF 1ST AND FOREMOST

**CHUCKYthentic** · 05-20-2009, 12:18 AM

1st cycle is test only period!

AT LEAST 24 years of age, desirably older. and above 200lbs!

as busa said, quit fishing for what you want to hear, we are telling you what u need to hear!

**busaboy27** · 05-20-2009, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by kas3379

no i meant just the deca..

thats what i meant deca shuts down your test levels.. erectile disfunction.. in college dont sound to good..

**kas3379** · 05-20-2009, 12:22 AM

i hear what you're saying man, but i have friends younger than me who have taken it and theyre fine, and I've got other people saying that it's cool for me to take it, so what am i supposed to believe? either way I understand that AAS are detrimental to your health, that's a factor that I've taken into consideration. I would like to know the safest way to do it, or serious evidence that it's an incredibly bad idea, bc I've already spent the money.

**Bertskee** · 05-20-2009, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by kas3379

i hear what you're saying man, but i have friends younger than me who have taken it and theyre fine, and I've got other people saying that it's cool for me to take it, so what am i supposed to believe? either way I understand that AAS are detrimental to your health, that's a factor that I've taken into consideration. I would like to know the safest way to do it, or serious evidence that it's an incredibly bad idea, bc I've already spent the money.

why would you buy something withought knowing anything about it?

your deff not up for it bro.

sorry

my 2 cents

**busaboy27** · 05-20-2009, 12:25 AM

well seeing that your friends are so missinformed they really dont know if everything with them is fine.. they could be having problems and not realize it was from that....
should ask the people that messed up and have to take a low dose of test for the rest of there lives...... if your gonna do it your gonna do it.. but do some research on test only cycles.. and dont listen to your half wit friends...

**kas3379** · 05-20-2009, 12:25 AM

can u send me the url for that? idk how to find it

**jbm** · 05-20-2009, 12:27 AM

We are giving you the right and safest advice...
6'1" 160lbs underweight bro...

I'm only 5'4" but I'm 157lbs...

**CHUCKYthentic** · 05-20-2009, 12:27 AM

so what? your friends SAY theyre "cool"? do YOU have evidence of this? have your friends ever had blood tests?

doubt it!

AAS are only detrimintal to your health if you use them wrong! and that is the path you re headed on!

**kas3379** · 05-20-2009, 12:27 AM

what are some examples of test only cycles?

**jbm** · 05-20-2009, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by kas3379

can u send me the url for that? idk how to find it

http://forums.steroid.com/educational-threads/

**CHUCKYthentic** · 05-20-2009, 12:29 AM

who cares if you hae already spent the money! your own mistake!

what you need to do is hold on to what you have, DO NOT USE IT, DO NOT!!!!

**Bertskee** · 05-20-2009, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by kas3379

what are some examples of test only cycles?

DUDE IN EDUCATIONAL THREADS I ALREADY TOLD YOU

Test beginner cycle info BY PHATE

good info for the begginer

USE MOUSE....
CLICK MOUSE...
ECT...
ECT...

**Bertskee** · 05-20-2009, 12:44 AM

HOW BOUT CLICK ON LINK BELOW....

Test beginner cycle info

**Bertskee** · 05-20-2009, 12:48 AM

i thought i might say something now though... its so common that people give misinformation out there, even if their intentions are good, much like your friends...this does not mean they are right!!! you came here most likely because you had a sneaking suspition of just that fact...

you did the right thing comin here

now lets go 2 for 2!