First Cycle Need help to do it right

**macsurfin** · 05-20-2009, 08:02 AM

So this is going to be my first cycle to bulk and I really want to do things the right way and not F^%K up my body. I have been researching this for a long time and have the gear I want to use.

My stats first i guess:

Hardgainer
6'1" 29yr 190 16%bf

I have been working out with a trainer for the last year and before that on my own so I know my way around the gym. I eat fairly clean and lots of food 2500-3200 cals a day I just can't seem to put on more mass. I am looking to get to about 210-220lbs after I am off the cycle. I have all my blood work done the whole dam thing every thing is good except my LDL is 143 and my Free Test is 83pg/ml so that's a bit low maybe from sex the night before. I have gear that I have had for over a year waiting for the right time to use it and now is the time. Yes it is real gear.

AAS
Type: Per ml: QTY:
Decabol 250mg 20ml Will be taken once a week
Andropen 275mg 30ml Will be taken EOD

Vit B-6
Liv-52

Pct:
clomid 50mg tabs
Nolvadez 10mg tabs
pregnyl 15,000 iu

Can I get some help on setting up this cycle please. Thanks in advance for the help.

**chuckt12345** · 05-20-2009, 08:06 AM

well almost 1000mg of test a wk and deca are not gonna be recommended for first cycle

**busaboy27** · 05-20-2009, 08:11 AM

test only cycle...400-500 a week split doses..

how many nolva ?
whats your planned pct?

body fat is high.. a year with a trainer and he couldn't get your body fat down?

**macsurfin** · 05-20-2009, 08:18 AM

I was thinking about the Novice Cycle #2-1 minus the dbol

PCT: Nolva ED 10mg 1-6 20mg 7-16
Clomid at the end. I got that from the link here http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

Body Fat has fluctuated from 13%-18% since I eat all the time and have been bulk training the last 6 months with minimal cardo.

**chuckt12345** · 05-20-2009, 08:19 AM

umm why you lookin at novice cycles if this is first one? Test only will do the trick

**busaboy27** · 05-20-2009, 08:23 AM

thats alot of flux in body fat.. u want to get that down.. for side effect reasons and so on

**macsurfin** · 05-20-2009, 12:19 PM

Sorry I didn't make that clear its been my BF for the last 2 years 13%-18%. Now its 15-16% So I think thats fine from what I have read.

As for the Novice cycle I had seen on here it stated

"Notes About Novice Cycle #1: This is a very simple beginner cycle that will add a good amount of new mass if you have never cycled before."

If I should only run Test then fine.
I have run a small cycle of deca and I really like it for joint lubrication on my shoulders since I have bursitis in them. Never had any problem when I took deca about 3 years ago but it was small amount only 150mg a week for 6 weeks just for the shoulders during surfing comps.

**busaboy27** · 05-20-2009, 12:22 PM

run the test only and get a good pct together.. watch side effects..

**bifda** · 05-20-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

Sorry I didn't make that clear its been my BF for the last 2 years 13%-18%. Now its 15-16% So I think thats fine from what I have read.

As for the Novice cycle I had seen on here it stated

"Notes About Novice Cycle #1: This is a very simple beginner cycle that will add a good amount of new mass if you have never cycled before."

If I should only run Test then fine.
I have run a small cycle of deca and I really like it for joint lubrication on my shoulders since I have bursitis in them. Never had any problem when I took deca about 3 years ago but it was small amount only 150mg a week for 6 weeks just for the shoulders during surfing comps.

this prob why you have low test now.

**amateur88** · 05-20-2009, 12:29 PM

Test E or C is usually used for beginner cycle, 500mg/week split into 2 injections, Monday morning and thursday afternoon. obviously have the correct pct. Advice on that and diet is available on this forum

**macsurfin** · 05-25-2009, 09:04 PM

I think I got it Test only weeks 1-3 133mg EOD weeks 4-12 165 EOD.

For PCT I will run the Clomid one from here http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php
I will run HCG 250 iu 2x a week for last 3 weeks of cycle
I have some questions and need your opinion for the Nolva its says on the novice cycle 10-20mg ED and I have read others that say run it with the PCT. Or as needed on the cycle. What do you guys think? I don't want to end being milked when its all over LOL

Also I got Lions stuff for PCT hope it works all the pills I got have expired abut 6-8 months ago.

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:11 AM

Anyone?

**chuckt12345** · 05-26-2009, 10:14 AM

looks fine but are your running test prop for 12 wks? Id get enanthate or cyp,, much easier and only needs to be shot 2x a wk.

If its just prop id stick with the same dosage the whole way and would only go 10wks.

You dont need to run nolva on cycle unless you start gettin gyno.

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:18 AM

id personally get the body fat down

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:19 AM

No I am running the Andropen 275 a five-ester blend of testosterone . Andropen contains 20mgs of Testosterone Acetate, 75mgs of Testosterone Cypionate , 90mgs of Testosterone Decanoate, and 45mgs each of Testosterone Propionate and Phenylpropionate

So EOD or Tuesdays and Fridays?

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:20 AM

did BF this morning 14% so it has fluctuated a bit.

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:20 AM

looks identical to sust.. so EOD for optimal gains, hopefully less sides

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:21 AM

After the cycle I want to follow up with some clen to drop that BF to about 10-12%

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

did BF this morning 14% so it has fluctuated a bit.

are you measuring through calipers? electronic scales are shit and spit back all kind of weird numbers... i personally would hold off a little...and get that diet.workout in check, i can deff help you out with both

**LexusIS09** · 05-26-2009, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

Sorry I didn't make that clear its been my BF for the last 2 years 13%-18%. Now its 15-16% So I think thats fine from what I have read.

As for the Novice cycle I had seen on here it stated

"Notes About Novice Cycle #1: This is a very simple beginner cycle that will add a good amount of new mass if you have never cycled before."

If I should only run Test then fine.
I have run a small cycle of deca and I really like it for joint lubrication on my shoulders since I have bursitis in them. Never had any problem when I took deca about 3 years ago but it was small amount only 150mg a week for 6 weeks just for the shoulders during surfing comps.

1.) That means this is your second cycle then. You can't just do a cycle.. and because it was small say it didn't have an impact on your body. think logically buds.

2.) this is probably why you have that low-test level. Did you PCT after? Deca will shut you down pretty hard.

**chuckt12345** · 05-26-2009, 10:22 AM

best to shoot that eod but 2x wk wont make much difference IMO.
run your nolva and clomid together for pct

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:22 AM

Great EOD is what I thought keeps a nice even dose in the blood

**LexusIS09** · 05-26-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

No I am running the Andropen 275 a five-ester blend of testosterone . Andropen contains 20mgs of Testosterone Acetate, 75mgs of Testosterone Cypionate , 90mgs of Testosterone Decanoate, and 45mgs each of Testosterone Propionate and Phenylpropionate

So EOD or Tuesdays and Fridays?

this is such a terrible combination of test. f*ck what is up with people and there obsessions with multi-ester test!!!

I'm honestly looking at that break-down of the test.. and shaking my head.

and it should be shot EOD.

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:27 AM

it just sounds so good "4 timed esters of test, damn bro!"..single esters are plain and simple.... and there both test, and dont have to shoot ED/EOD!

**chuckt12345** · 05-26-2009, 10:27 AM

well i thnk its because he already has it guys.

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

are you measuring through calipers? electronic scales are shit and spit back all kind of weird numbers... i personally would hold off a little...and get that diet.workout in check, i can deff help you out with both

Measuring through the scale I have noticed it does give some weird numbers. I will do Calipers this week though.

I always welcome help as I really want to do it right the first time. My diet I think is pretty good only eat organic and high protein with balanced carbs.

Break fast:
Oatmeal / Toast / 5-7 egg whites with veges and cheese/ Water
Snack:
Can of tuna , Almonds, apple, water water water

lunch: Pasta, Steak, Or Chicken breast veggies and brown rice.

Snack: Fruit what ever is in season. peanutbutter sandwich, milk.

Dinner: Tuna Steaks, Chicken, Pork Loin, Fish or Steak, Veggies, Rice or potato

Post work out Creatine, Protein shake, vitamin, liv 52

Work outs are no longer than 60 mins I try to keep them about 45 mins total.

5-10 Min Cardo on bike and a 20min walk to gym. I bust my ass in the gym do what I need to do and bail.

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:35 AM

yep already have the Test. or what they like to call Sustanon + its BD and yes its really gear

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 10:36 AM

I am not scared of the pins either EOD is fine for me

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

Measuring through the scale I have noticed it does give some weird numbers. I will do Calipers this week though.

I always welcome help as I really want to do it right the first time. My diet I think is pretty good only eat organic and high protein with balanced carbs.

Break fast:
Oatmeal / Toast / 5-7 egg whites with veges and cheese/ Water
Snack:
Can of tuna , Almonds, apple, water water water

lunch: Pasta, Steak, Or Chicken breast veggies and brown rice.

Snack: Fruit what ever is in season. peanutbutter sandwich, milk.

Dinner: Tuna Steaks, Chicken, Pork Loin, Fish or Steak, Veggies, Rice or potato

Post work out Creatine, Protein shake, vitamin, liv 52

Work outs are no longer than 60 mins I try to keep them about 45 mins total.

5-10 Min Cardo on bike and a 20min walk to gym. I bust my ass in the gym do what I need to do and bail.

this is the source of your problem... i will critiuq it in another post but first...

ALL LINKS, ID WATCH THEM IN ORDER MAKE SURE TO WATCH ALL THE VIDS IN THE 1ST!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516 ** WATCH ALL DVD VIDEOS FIRST!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=384395 BMR CALCULATIONS
those 2 links are the basis of what you need right now, come back with goals, proposed diet with macros (pro, carbs,fat) of all foods, meals, day along with calories. then post up your BMR and your CURRENT diet and that is what we need for a proper critiqe. GL

post up in the diet forum make a thraed asking for me and ill be there lol

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

Measuring through the scale I have noticed it does give some weird numbers. I will do Calipers this week though.

I always welcome help as I really want to do it right the first time. My diet I think is pretty good only eat organic and high protein with balanced carbs.

Break fast:
Oatmeal / Toast / 5-7 egg whites with veges and cheese/ Water
is thsi naturally rolled oats or refined oatmeal pre pakced? aka lots of sugar, qukck oats (HIgh GI, faster fat conversion, etc. garbage in other words) you need naturally rolled oats and 8-10 egg whites, no cheese.
Snack:

Can of tuna , Almonds, apple, water water water
no need for fruits, apple is ok during bulk but i would consume somewhere near pwo. id mix almond oil with the can of tuna rahter than eating the almonds.

lunch: Pasta, Steak, Or Chicken breast veggies and brown rice.
this is way too broad. stick to brown rice or sweet potato with grilled chickecn..WE NEED MACROS AND PROPROTIONS...

Snack: Fruit what ever is in season. peanutbutter sandwich, milk.
GARBAGE, THROW OUT

Dinner: Tuna Steaks, Chicken, Pork Loin, Fish or Steak, Veggies, Rice or potato
when is the workout, where is your pwo nutrition?? this diet needs to be completely re done.

Post work out Creatine, Protein shake, vitamin, liv 52

where are the carbs, how much, etc?
Work outs are no longer than 60 mins I try to keep them about 45 mins total.

5-10 Min Cardo on bike and a 20min walk to gym. I bust my ass in the gym do what I need to do and bail.

ok the diet is very poor, but dont get offended were here to help. follow the links i sent you in previous post and go to diet forum. also here is a thread on cardio that you will need.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=384553 CARDIO AND HR
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=384006 INTRO TO EXERCISE

and shti i sent you my exercise thread too.. oh well now you have about all that you need NOT AS..cya soon

**amateur88** · 05-26-2009, 10:45 AM

ooo hes got himself some genuine BD!

musta cost you a fortune if its genuine!

**Dancer** · 05-26-2009, 10:57 AM

Deca will F you up every time without PCT. Even with PCT many have problems recovering.

Basically I am gonna say the first comments others make about test only ignor.

Go ahead and go balls to the wall.

**macsurfin** · 05-26-2009, 11:53 AM

Great thanks Eatrainrest will read it all. Some of the foods are hard to come by I am living in Costa Rica So theirs not much selection and have to be kind of creative. Lots of fish,Pork, Super tough lean beef, Rice. No sweet potatoes, no almond oil, only real basic things here... But hey its supposed paradise .. What I really need is someone to make a full diet and work out plan for me map it all out and run with that. Since what I thought I knew is all fucd

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by macsurfin

Great thanks Eatrainrest will read it all. Some of the foods are hard to come by I am living in Costa Rica So theirs not much selection and have to be kind of creative. Lots of fish,Pork, Super tough lean beef, Rice. No sweet potatoes, no almond oil, only real basic things here... But hey its supposed paradise .. What I really need is someone to make a full diet and work out plan for me map it all out and run with that. Since what I thought I knew is all fucd

well unfortunately we dont write out diets. those vids will help you trememdnously!!!! then just see whats available to eat, post in diet section, and youll be on your way. glad to help.