Users of Clenbuterol... I have a ? or 3...

[The Deuce]

This is a debate I have been trying to settle with myself for months now...


I need the benefits of clen's ability to scorch fat off the body..


But I can't stand irregular heartbeats... rapid heart rate while just sitting still... and all the known possible sides associated with the HEART and CLEN.

WHAT IS THE FEELING OF BEING ON CLEN?? IS IT A CONSTANT RACING HEART??

CONSTANT ON EDGE FEELING?? CONSTANT.. JUST YOU KNOW AHHHH MY HEARTS GOING 180bpm Standing still !!!

I just wanna know what to expect from this... your first hand reports... not the profile of it.. or what it could do..

What is the feeling and experience of using Clenbuterol for FAT burning??

Thanks bros !!

[*RAGE*]

I was on clen till last week, and yest the heart beat is out of controll and the hand shakes are to the point where you have to type everything two or three times to get ti right, but over all it is not that bad and you get use to it, it will melt the fat away bro, I was losing a pound a day with very little cardio and just eating clean, in the off weeks I used lipo flame and lipo slim to keep the process going, the only thing is I would stay away from hard cardio after taking it, would wait two to three hours and let the body calm down....my resting heart rate was around 114 to 120 for the most part and stayed that way.....but it does it job and removes the fat around the mid-section....

[The Deuce]

With enough hard work and dedication is the fat possible to get off without the aid of CLEN... like enough where I need to be contest ready or is CLEN an absolute necessity??


I just cant stand that rapid heart beat thing.. PANIC ATTACKSA like a mo-fo.. thats what I am wondering is if it is necessary or can I melt this fat off with just traditional methods of CARIOD and my cycles of AAS ??

What do you think? Do you think single digit BF% is achievable without clen?? What about using T3 instead ?? like 8 weeks of that at 50mcgs ED?? Because T3 doesnt speed up your heart rate and you can still slam the cardio... right??

I mean I am 16.59% BF right now.. and majority of my fat deposits are in my stomach and a lil bit on my chest.. not much but some.. (not gyno.. no lumps, no itching) just fat on my chest... which is slowly disappearing but with the completion of my cycle coming up and going on my TRT dosage of 250mgs EW I wanna utilize this time before my bulking cycle that will be taking place in 10 weeks to melt the fat away.. been pondering CLEN BUT AFTER WHAT YOU JUST SAID i STILL DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT FOR ME!!


What about T3 ? Good Idea? Bad Idea?

[CHAP]

With enough hard work and dedication is the fat possible to get off without the aid of CLEN... like enough where I need to be contest ready or is CLEN an absolute necessity??


I just cant stand that rapid heart beat thing.. PANIC ATTACKSA like a mo-fo.. thats what I am wondering is if it is necessary or can I melt this fat off with just traditional methods of CARIOD and my cycles of AAS ??

What do you think? Do you think single digit BF% is achievable without clen?? What about using T3 instead ?? like 8 weeks of that at 50mcgs ED?? Because T3 doesnt speed up your heart rate and you can still slam the cardio... right??

I mean I am 16.59% BF right now.. and majority of my fat deposits are in my stomach and a lil bit on my chest.. not much but some.. (not gyno.. no lumps, no itching) just fat on my chest... which is slowly disappearing but with the completion of my cycle coming up and going on my TRT dosage of 250mgs EW I wanna utilize this time before my bulking cycle that will be taking place in 10 weeks to melt the fat away.. been pondering CLEN BUT AFTER WHAT YOU JUST SAID i STILL DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT FOR ME!!


What about T3 ? Good Idea? Bad Idea?

DEUCE I saw in a thread or a post once that sometimes you have to take benzos. I have panic attacks and like you I cannot atand irregular heartbeats or rapid heartbeats for no reason. I personally will not try clen even though I really want to because of the same reasons your asking.

You can get to where you want to be without it. I see how dedicated you are you can make it.

[busaboy27]

split the doses up.... keeps sides down.. wont have that initial shock..... i always have people do the every 3 days up the dose by 20mcgs and run it for 4 weeks.... everyone has gotten great results.. with minimal sides... some people can sleep and hour later from taking it others cant .. it all depends on the person

[amateur88]

When i used clen i spilt up the dose and tapered up, no need to taper down though. I had great results and only sides i got was minor shakes and i ran hot alot of the time. There was no real heart probs that i noticed, pulse was slightly quicker etc but no pulpatations

[dukeAPD]

how would you guys take it you would cycle up with 20mcg incraments but would you take it all at once or would you space out smaller doses throught the day untill you go to the required dose? and you didnt cycle down?

[busaboy27]

no cycle down..... split the dose in half..... once at like 7-8 then next at like 2-3.. anything later u might not sleep.. wont hit you as hard.. its gradual then

[D7M]

I don't care for clen at all anymore.

i can deal with the sides, the heart rate, etc.

But the fat burning effects, imo, are not all its cracked up to be.

[Slide]

i dont know if i am sold on it. it makes me feel like a f*cking junky cause i am shifty eyed and hot, and pounding heart. i feel like i did a huge line of Blow.

Here is a suggestion. Try the albuterol, ARR has it. it is the same as clen but has a much shorter half life. My rational is that 1) if you hate the feeling it will only last two hours instead of 6+ or so on with clen. Knowing it will end soon will help with the anxiety. Also with the shorter half life i can take it at different times during the day (like when i know i don't have a meeting etc...)

good luck.

[dukeAPD]

just read other posts and found out i cant ask about any companies products
does steroid.com have a reputable manufacture list?

[Yergg]

I had the shakes and a low greade fever when i used clen. even on extremely low doses. I didnt increase the dose during use due to this.

[dukeAPD]

i have to say for me so far im good i started it 3 days ago 40mcg a day in the morning and not bad sides i had a head ache that excedrine took care of dry mouth which water took care of and thats really it but im a big buy 243.5 6 ft im doing it to mostly loose weight watching my diet and cardio jogging 1.25 miles a day and walking about a mile a day with light lifting so tomorrow im going to bump up to 60mcg but its going to be hard to take 30 in the am and 30 in the afternoon since there 40 mcg tablets lol so i think im going to take 20 in the am and 40 in the afternoon sorry if im babbling on but im new to all of this

[The Deuce]

i have to say for me so far im good i started it 3 days ago 40mcg a day in the morning and not bad sides i had a head ache that excedrine took care of dry mouth which water took care of and thats really it but im a big buy 243.5 6 ft im doing it to mostly loose weight watching my diet and cardio jogging 1.25 miles a day and walking about a mile a day with light lifting so tomorrow im going to bump up to 60mcg but its going to be hard to take 30 in the am and 30 in the afternoon since there 40 mcg tablets lol so i think im going to take 20 in the am and 40 in the afternoon sorry if im babbling on but im new to all of this

LOL !!!



ANYWAYS... SINCE THIS IS MY THREAD BACK TO ME...


What is you guys opinion on using T3 for added Fat Loss??

Just simple 50mcg's per day... split in two doses.. 1 in AM.. 1 right before workout...

I have heard that T3 doesn't effect your heart in any way, shape, or form as far as racing and weird feelings are concerned... truth to this??

Thanks bros !!

[D7M]

you'll be running your TRT dose with the T3, right?

you could do that.

lol...I don't like t3 either. makes me so fvcking lethargic. but it works.

[The Deuce]

LOL... Yah I would be running this with my TRT dose (250mgs EW of Enan) and 50mgs ED of Proviron... if I run it at all.. just exploring options here ya know?? Odds are I will probably lose all the FAT i need to lose naturally through CARDIO and Proper DIET !! But just wanted opinions on popular fat burners...

IF... now this is a BIG IF !!

IF i do decide to go the T3 route... what's the average length in time people usually run it for??

[Phate]

don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but albuterol is in the same class as clen, but much lower on the side effects, most people don't even notice they are on it from my understanding, you could try it as an alternative

[The Deuce]

albuterol huh.. u mean i could just start puffing on this inhaler and be good to go??

[Phate]

albuterol huh.. u mean i could just start puffing on this inhaler and be good to go??

not quite, most inhalers deliver between 90-120mcg per inhalation and around 200 inhalations per canister, which equates to between 18-24mg per canister

you need around 24mg/day split into 3 doses for optimum results(24mg/day is around the max dosage so account for ramping)

[The Deuce]

alrighty bro... time for me to do more research on this... thanks bro!!!

[Phate]

alrighty bro... time for me to do more research on this... thanks bro!!!

one step ahead of ya bro, i'll save you the trouble


Albuterol Article by: Anthony Roberts

One of the first articles I ever wrote which was widely circulated was about Clenbuterol. I wrote it partially to clear up some misconceptions about the drug, and partially because I got tired of answering the same questions over and over. Several years later, that article has been circulated on almost every anabolic steroid discussion board on the internet, and those boards who haven’t actually reposted the article still regularly discuss one of the concepts pioneered in the article…namely the use of Benadryl with Clenbuterol.

Now, its several years later, and I’ve mostly abandoned Clen for my own personal use, and actually recommend Albuterol (Salbutamol) as a much better alternative. Albuterol is a (relatively) selective beta-2 adrenoreceptor agonist, just like Clenbuterol. Honestly, I had pretty much given up on Clen a couple of years ago because for my own personal reasons (I had experienced much better results with Ephedrine and Caffeine). Then, a couple of weeks ago, I tried my first bottle of Albuterol, mostly out of curiosity…and wow! I like it much more than Clenbuterol. I mentioned this fact to my research assistant, and she told me that a lot of figure competitors also prefer Albuterol over Clenbuterol. I had no idea about that, but based on the effects I had with Albuterol I can see why. Clen is simply too harsh on most people; they get too jittery, too shaky, and too anxious. It’s a lot to go through to burn some fat.

But in my own personal experience, Albuterol produces a much “cleaner” type of stimulant effect than Clenbuterol. I don’t know how to really describe this other than to say that the “Clen-shakes” just aren’t as bad with Albuterol…in addition, I’m able to focus better on my work when I use Albuterol, while with Clen I’m stimulated but not really focused.

But even though Albuterol produces a much cleaner stimulant-type feeling in most people, the main question is “How well does it burn fat”? As far as fat-burning stimulants go, how does it stack up to Clenbuterol? Lets face it, most people are really only concerned with the end results, right? Well, at least in me and the people I’ve worked with, Albuterol seems to produce significantly better results than Clen in terms of fat burning effects…and it produces them just a bit more quickly too. This makes sense, if you think about it. Albuterol is often thought of as a “shorter acting” version of Clen…and, to draw an analogy, when we look at the steroids which are shorter acting versions (think about comparing something like Testosterone Propionate vs./ Cypionate, or NPP vs./ Deca)- they typically produce more dramatic results a bit quicker than their long acting cousins. I’m finding the same thing to be true with Albuterol. When we take a look at a medical study examining Clenbuterol vs. a beta-2 agonist which has an even longer half life (“Salmeterol”), we see that Clen out performs it in terms of anabolic effects (1). So I think it would only be logical to assume that something that was a shorter acting beta-2 agonist than Clen would likely outperform it, right?

Let me just restate that, to make sure we’re all on the same page, ok? Clenbuterol outperforms longer acting beta-2 agonists, in terms of anabolic effects. Albuterol is a beta-2 agonist with a shorter acting effect than Clenbuterol. Therefore, it’s only logical that Albuterol is going to be more anabolic than Clen, right? Ok, let’s move on…

To understand how Albuterol works, first we need to take a look at the Beta adrenergic system. This system is comprised of something called adrenoreceptors, and the most well known (to bodybuilders anyway) of the adrenoreceptors are the beta receptors. Beta receptors are embedded in the cell's outer phospholipid membrane, and are stimulated by all the really popular stimulants…ephedrine, Clenbuterol, etc... These receptors can further be divided into three subtypes: 1, 2, & 3, (of which we are primarily concerned with type-2, because the type-3 variety seems to primarily be less relevant in humans than in other animals, and because Albuterol doesn’t stimulate the type-1 receptor). There also exists a type of receptor known as an alpha receptor, which isn’t relevant here, but warrants a brief explanation.

Alpha receptors differ from beta receptors in that they are activated at significantly lower catecholamine levels than are the beta receptors. A catecholamine is simply an organic compound that affects the sympathetic nervous system. For example, dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine are all catecholamines.

We are, as I said previously, mostly concerned with Beta-2 receptors, because those are what we see stimulated with Albuterol. It should come as no surprise to anyone who has used Clenbuterol as well as Albuterol is that when you stimulate your beta receptors, it causes something called vasodilatation (increased blood flow). Stimulation of these receptors also stimulates the break down of fatty acids into the blood stream for use as fuel, which causes a reduction in stored fat. Of course, this increased blood flow also comes with an increased heart rate.

This explains how Beta-2 adrenergic stimulation can also increase your body temperature a bit…however this isn’t something that’s too noticeable on a thermometer…most people will feel a bit hotter, and some will even break a sweat (I fall into the latter category). Beta-agonists work to do this by increasing heat production in the cell’s powerhouse, the mitochondria, which will also increase your basal metabolic rate, and decrease your appetite. Not too many people feel hungry after a whopping dose of stimulants.

There is also some evidence that Beta-Agonists are anabolic (more properly, however, this would actually be anti-catabolic). This is because Beta-agonists also act to initiate a hormonal cascade that involves the activation of a compound called cAMP (basically: cyclic-Adenosine Monophosphate). After this, cAMP activates calpistatin that is the inhibitor of calpain. Calpain works to degrade protein in skeletal muscle (among other functions). Therefore, we already saw that how stimulation of beta 2 receptors have the ability to increase energy expenditure and free up body fat to be used as fuel, and now we have some understanding of how that stimulation can also have the potential to be anti-catabolic as well .

Now that we’re all on the same page regarding the beta-adregenic system, and what sorts of effects we can expect when we stimulate it with beta-2 agonists…lets take a more specific look at Albuterol, and why I think it’s such a great compound.

When we take a look at Albuterol’s ability to burn fat, it’s clear that it has the ability to aid fat loss in both normal as well as obese men (2). That’s not very different from Clenbuterol, in any way. However, in my personal experience with it, I think that Albuterol really outperforms Clen in areas of strength gains as well as for athletic purposes….lets take a look at my claim and see how Albuterol performs in humans…

In one study, subjects were given Albuterol and performed 9 weeks of isokinetic knee extensions (there was also a group who performed the same exercise routine but were not given Albuterol). The Albuterol group, predictably, had better strength gains than the non-Albuterol group (only a therapeutic dose was given) (3). In my own experience, strength gains with Albuterol are much better and seen more quickly than I see them with Clen. In fact, while I don’t particularly experience much of a performance enhancing effect from Clen in the gym; on the other hand I see strength gains and muscular improvements within the first couple weeks of using Albuterol. Of course, this is likely a pure anabolic effect and probably not easily explained as a simple “enhanced” anti-catabolic effect, and likely can’t be explained away with the Calpain idea you read about earlier. I still think that I can take a pretty good shot at explaining why Albuterol is anabolic, though. strong body of evidence exists to suggest that Albuterol influences the release of cAMP. As you may know, cAMP also plays an important role in mediating certain catecholamines secreted by the adrenal medulla which have an inhibitory effect on muscle dependent protein degradation, but in addition, norepinephrine released from adrenergic terminals may actually increase the rate of protein synthesis(not just decrease the rate of their degradation) in oxidative muscles, thereby leading to increased protein accretion (representing a true anabolic effect). That’s most likely the way that we receive part of the anabolic effect from Beta-stimulation. Another way is perhaps through the beta-adrenergic stimulated lowering of “Interleukin-6” from fat cells (long story…).

Anecdotally, Clenbuterol and ephedrine have both shown themselves capable of temporarily increasing strength, and I would bet most beta-agonists have this effect, but I don’t think has been shown as conclusively in the medical literature as it has been with Albuterol. Albuterol has been shown to increase muscle size (3-6) as well as strength and endurance (3) (*while people have anecdotally reported that Clen seems to lower their aerobic capacity). Clenbuterol has a disadvantage when compared with Albuterol in the area of strength gains, probably due to the act that it use-dependently inhibits action potential firing in skeletal muscle fibers, which is not directly caused by inherent Beta-2 stimulant activities (7) . I think that’s the best quasi-scientific explanation I Again, my own personal experience and that of my research assistant(s) would also seem to strongly support this claim…all of us have gotten leaner, bigger and stronger with the use of Albuterol, while with Clen, we got more ****** but not really stronger (and certainly not much bigger). Anecdotally, we’ve seen Clenbuterol fall a bit flat when people use it for anabolic effects, although in animals it would appear to be highly anabolic, though human studies are a bit shaky (ha!) in this area.

One of the things I really like about Albuterol is that it has the potential to actually be used on my cycle to make it safer by improving my lipid profile (cholesterol)…or during PCT to help get my cholesterol levels back in check. This is because Albuterol shows significant benefits to cholesterol as it works to lower total cholesterol, specifically LDL (the bad stuff) while at the same time elevating HDL (the good stuff).(8)

In my own particular case, cholesterol never seems to be an issue, but now that I’m working with Oasis for HRT, it’s certainly in my best interests to show up every three months with nice looking blood work.

So now is the part you’ve been waiting for (*or the part you skipped to, ignoring the rest of the article…whatever…). How much of this should you take, and how often? Well, I can tell you that I have found the best results by working my way up from 4mgs taken once a day, up to 4-8mgs taken 3x a day. I know that some people will think that 24ms a day of this stuff is going to be too much (it is, after all, a stimulant). But I can tell you that I have a pretty good tolerance for stimulants (I’ve taken up to 200mcg/day of Clenbuterol, and some other pretty hefty stimulants that I probably shouldn’t mention in polite company). Most people are going to find their sweet spot at about 4mgs of Albuterol 3x a day or so…women will probably take about half that dose, and be fine with it.

I think that Albuterol is about to become very popular, very soon…and I, for one, am looking forward to seeing less of my old Clen article around the ‘net, and more of this one.


References:

1. Anabolic effects of the beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist salmeterol are dependent on route of administrationN. G. Moore, G. G. Pegg, and M. N. Sillence
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab, Sep 1994; 267: E475 - E484.
2.Schiffelers SL, Saris WH, Boomsma F, and van Baak MA. beta(1)- and beta(2)-Adrenoceptor-mediated thermogenesis and lipid utilization in obese and lean men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 86: 2191–2199, 2001
3. Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2000 Jul;32(7):1300-6.
4. J Strength Cond Res. 2005 Feb;19(1):102-7. Oral Albuterol dosing during the latter stages of a resistance exercise program
5. The effects of Albuterol and isokinetic exercise on the quadriceps muscle group.Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1995 Nov;27(11):1471-6
6. Salbutamol, a beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist, increases skeletal muscle strength in young men.Martineau L, Horan MA, Rothwell NJ, Little RA
7. Different Ability of Clenbuterol and Salbutamol to Block Sodium Channels Predicts Their Therapeutic Use in Muscle Excitability Disorders
Jean-François Desaphy, Sabata Pierno, Annamaria De Luca, Paola Didonna, and Diana Conte Camerino
Mol. Pharmacol.,Mar 2003; 63: 659
8. Metabolism. 1996 Jun;45(6):712-7 Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men. Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F

[The Deuce]

PERFECT BRO!!! THANK YOU BIG TIME !!


You da man!!

[Phate]

PERFECT BRO!!! THANK YOU BIG TIME !!


You da man!!

anytime, pm me for more details if needed

[SilverTest]

why dont u just diet and cardio bro.

clen give me horrible sides too so i dont use it anymore , ECA dont give me almost any side effect but i am not using it either unless i really need it.

as long as you are loosing fat at a good rate there is no need for these at all IMO.

[Bertskee]

how did you guys feel with regards to your attention span, and concentration while on clen? Were you able to maintain focus as well on clen when compared to off? or was it like having a case of the ol ADHD??

[Bertskee]

bump

[The Deuce]

bump

bumpin' my thread for ME ??? Awww gee thanks !!

[Bertskee]

bumpin' my thread for ME ??? Awww gee thanks !!

hahahahaha sorry bro... just curious about the question i added there, lol

[tripmachine]

how did you guys feel with regards to your attention span, and concentration while on clen? Were you able to maintain focus as well on clen when compared to off? or was it like having a case of the ol ADHD??

Well I can still focus fine on clen..... but then again I also take 60mg of adderall xr ed so I guess you should get on the adderall if the clen messes with your attention span ;p

[dukeAPD]

deuce sorry for jacking the thread lol ok this is deff not new thread worthy lol i know they dont want you mentioning names of stuff does the same rule apply to pming a senior member about a brands reputation as it does with where to get it?

[The Deuce]

deuce sorry for jacking the thread lol ok this is deff not new thread worthy lol i know they dont want you mentioning names of stuff does the same rule apply to pming a senior member about a brands reputation as it does with where to get it?

Depends... some people do source checks.. I personally don't unless I know you... Sorry.

[sarika]

Well I can still focus fine on clen..... but then again I also take 60mg of adderall xr ed so I guess you should get on the adderall if the clen messes with your attention span ;p

Trip,

I'm just curious what your experience has been combining the clen with your adderal and what cardio you do if any with all that in your system... I've been thinking of doing a cycle of clen but take 30mg ritalin LA (time release) each day which already elevates my heart rate enough to begin with... Not trying to end up in the ER!

Thanks!

[dukeAPD]

deuce the way i asked it came out wrong i ment can i ask a senior member about the brand that i am taking if its legit or not or do the same rules apply about asking a brand reputation as the rules about where to get it with the post like im curios if brand x is good or not , i dont need to know where to get it ... and now i was thinking and another question poped into my head with how you need to be off clen for the equall amout of time that your on it when your off can you use the Albuterol instead of say an eca stack or is the Albuterol too close to clen and it wont count as time off the cycle? ps i know my spelling and grammar suck

[tripmachine]

Trip,

I'm just curious what your experience has been combining the clen with your adderal and what cardio you do if any with all that in your system... I've been thinking of doing a cycle of clen but take 30mg ritalin LA (time release) each day which already elevates my heart rate enough to begin with... Not trying to end up in the ER!

Thanks!

well for me the adderall doesn't really adjust my heart rate like the clen does.... i mean I don't feel it like i do the clen. The adderall I do feel though, that's for sure. Everything is better in life while on it and i have a TON of energy to do anything i'm wanting to do. So as far as the two combined it's intense but not too intense otherwise i'd probably lay off... I'd start out slow on the clen while on the ritalin since you can't adjust the ritalin dose as easily as the clen... I do mild to moderate cardio and make sure my heart rate doesn't leave the 150-160's.... i used to get my HR up to 190 on a regular basis then up to 210 once to see how high i could get it (stupid i know!!! I was much younger and obviously much stupider >< ) Anyway good luck!

[The Deuce]

well for me the adderall doesn't really adjust my heart rate like the clen does.... i mean I don't feel it like i do the clen. The adderall I do feel though, that's for sure. Everything is better in life while on it and i have a TON of energy to do anything i'm wanting to do. So as far as the two combined it's intense but not too intense otherwise i'd probably lay off... I'd start out slow on the clen while on the ritalin since you can't adjust the ritalin dose as easily as the clen... I do mild to moderate cardio and make sure my heart rate doesn't leave the 150-160's.... i used to get my HR up to 190 on a regular basis then up to 210 once to see how high i could get it (stupid i know!!! I was much younger and obviously much stupider >< ) Anyway good luck!

210 !!?!?? HOLY HELL !! That's almost HEART BURSTING AND BLOWING UP AINT IT?????

Yah I hear ya about heart rate, I only go to a MAX of 170bpm now(but try to keep it at 150-160).. I use to go to 185bpm.. but I learned... that isn't so good... lol

[Phate]

210 !!?!?? HOLY HELL !! That's almost HEART BURSTING AND BLOWING UP AINT IT?????

Yah I hear ya about heart rate, I only go to a MAX of 170bpm now(but try to keep it at 150-160).. I use to go to 185bpm.. but I learned... that isn't so good... lol

i did some true HIIT cardio after shock training today and my heartrate was 170 during the low section and over 200 on the fast sections, though i was going all out