Help With Cycle

[roonie]

hi guys,

i am in need of some help planning my cycle, i have just got some deca, sustanon and dbol. i am planning to do this over a 10 week couse but do not really have any idea on how much to take,

i am 23 years been training for 5 years i have to my workout and diet sorted but would really appriciate some help on doin a cycle

thanks guys

[T-MOS]

Welcome to AR

What are your complete stats?

height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
previous cycles, lengths, doses, PCT
PCT planned for this cycle
Goals for this cycle

There is a LOT more to this than just grabbing some stuff and taking it.
There are things that go with it during the cycle
There are things you will need after the cycle to restart your natural production and protect you from Estrogen rebound

[sigman roid]

it amazes me you could buy a course and have no idea what to do with it,post what t -mos asked for and we shall go from there.

[c-Z]

^^^ At this point nothing should amaze you bro......... We've seen it all.. LOL

Some stats would be nice....

[sigman roid]

^^^ At this point nothing should amaze you bro......... We've seen it all.. LOL

Some stats would be nice....

yep chev your right , seen it all before still cant understand it though

[RANA]

Welcome to AR

What are your complete stats?

height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
previous cycles, lengths, doses, PCT
PCT planned for this cycle
Goals for this cycle

There is a LOT more to this than just grabbing some stuff and taking it.
There are things that go with it during the cycle
There are things you will need after the cycle to restart your natural production and protect you from Estrogen rebound

I so agree, you should have figured out what are are doing (quanties, duration, to include PCT) then purchase your products after you were fully informed. You did things backwards, you might figure out that this is not the cycle you really want to start. Having said that please provide us with your stats and we shall go from there.

[sigman roid]

come on roonie i can see you down there!!!!

[RANA]

come on roonie i can see you down there!!!!

I didn't know you swung that way...lol

[sigman roid]

haha i asked for that.lol

[c-Z]

LMAO...... yeah I can't explain it myself....... I think before i drop hundreds of dollars.... and deal with minimum orders and sh*t I at least figure out exactly what I need. Before just going give me this this... F*ck now I need more half way threw.

[roonie]

im 23
5ft 10
87kg

i train 5 days a week
monday chest
tuesday back
wednesday legs
thursday shoulders
friday arms

i aim to have 6 - 8 meals a day all healthy and protein shakes

i have done a course of dbol , sus and deca before but was over a 6 weeks period as i was advise by someone

this time i have been advised to do it over 10 weeks, but it is really hard to find good information on cycles, i have been told to take:

1ml of sus and deca a week
and dbol every increasing it so i peak about the 5th week and then cut it down for the other 5

would really appriciate some advise thanks

[roonie]

i am doing the course for bulking up

i also got advised not to worry about any pct wich i dont really agree with

someone said to take some HGG afterwards?

[sigman roid]

how much sus and deca have you got?

[roonie]

i have 10ml of each

[sigman roid]

i am doing the course for bulking up

i also got advised not to worry about any pct wich i dont really agree with

someone said to take some HGG afterwards?

who ever told you not to do pct is a retard he's probably the same person you got your gear off and he probably didnt have any pct meds so he told you not to worry about it. If you dont have your pct sorted you cant start a cycle

[roonie]

someone advised me to take HGG after the cycle is this any good?

[sigman roid]

maybe its me but what is hgg?do you mean hcg?

[roonie]

sorry your right it is hcg

some info on pct would be really great aswell

[sigman roid]

you dont use hcg after cycle you use it when your on cycle, you don't have enough of anything to do a decent cycle and to be honest you need to do alot more research before starting anything.imo.

[roonie]

so what is the best ideal way to do a cycle?

[roonie]

so what would be the best ideal way to do a cycle?

[sigman roid]

against my better judgement and because i am in a good mood i will help you ,if i were you i would do test e at 500mg per week you would shoot this 2 times a week once on a monday and once on a thursday i would do this for 12weeks. after your last shot of test e you wait 2 weeks and start pct which would be some thing like this
nolva
40/20/20/20
clomid
100/100/50/50
which means mg per day over a 4 week period.

[T-MOS]

if you only have 10 ml of each, you don't have enough to do a cylce!

for PCT read this :

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

If you take ANY steroid, YOU NEED PCT !!! it is more important than the cycle itself

a decent cycle would be:

weeks 1-4 Dbol @ 30-40 mgs/ED
weeks 1-12 Sust @ 500 mgs/week SHOT EOD !!!!!! not once a week
weeks 1-10 Deca @ 400 mgs/week

PCT would start 18 days after last sust shot
You should have an AI on hand for during the cycle as well

[roonie]

thank you i really appriciate all the help

how would i take the dbol with this?

[roonie]

thanks t-mos

i will defo sort out the pct

how come you do not take dbol for the same lenght as time?

[gordongecko74]

if ur gonna pin sus it should be eod. anything with a longer ester like enth can be done 2x week. and drop the deca one week before ending the test. seems like this may almost be ur first cycle (first one seemed flawed) so test alone may be a good way to go. proceed with pct as sigman suggests.

[T-MOS]

thanks t-mos

i will defo sort out the pct

how come you do not take dbol for the same lenght as time?

dbol is just used for a kickstart until the test kicks in, it is harsh on the liver and makes you retain a LOT of water

[roonie]

dbol is just used for a kickstart until the test kicks in, it is harsh on the liver and makes you retain a LOT of water

how much and how long for should i use the dbol?

[sigman roid]

if ur gonna pin sus it should be eod. anything with a longer ester like enth can be done 2x week. and drop the deca one week before ending the test. seems like this may almost be ur first cycle (first one seemed flawed) so test alone may be a good way to go. proceed with pct as sigman suggests.

i agree with you , thats why i suggested just doing a test e cycle although hes done previous cycle he couldnt have done that properly because of his limited knowledge and unless he gets more sus/deca he hasnt got enough to do that cycle anyway.

[roonie]

if you only have 10 ml of each, you don't have enough to do a cylce!

for PCT read this :

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

If you take ANY steroid, YOU NEED PCT !!! it is more important than the cycle itself

a decent cycle would be:

weeks 1-4 Dbol @ 30-40 mgs/ED
weeks 1-12 Sust @ 500 mgs/week SHOT EOD !!!!!! not once a week
weeks 1-10 Deca @ 400 mgs/week

PCT would start 18 days after last sust shot
You should have an AI on hand for during the cycle as well

thanks really apriciate the help

i know this may sound stupid but...
when you say 500mgs how much is that in ml

[sigman roid]

if your running the cycle tmos suggested you will run your dbol 30-40mgs per day for 4 weeks the first 4 weeks of your cycle

[sigman roid]

how many mg/ml is your sus?

[roonie]

how many mg/ml is your sus?

my sus is 10ml and come in 1ml bottles wich you snap the top off and my deca is 10ml

[gordongecko74]

each ml should have a certain amt of mg. u will typically find sus at 250 mg/ml. if this is the case than 2 mls=500mg. @ 500mg per week u will need 20mls to go 10 weeks. post the mg/ml ratio and do the math

[sigman roid]

my sus is 10ml and come in 1ml bottles wich you snap the top off and my deca is 10ml

ok so on the 1ml bottles it should tell you how many mg per ml are in those bottles tell me what it says( you are hard work.lol)

[T-MOS]

how much and how long for should i use the dbol?

roonie, you are really starting to scare me here !!! I wrote it ALL out for you!!


It is really sounding like you are NO where NEAR ready to be using steroids !!


Sust is usually dosed at 250mgs/ml if that is the case with yours, then you would need a total of TWO ml per week, BUT you will have to break that down into EOD measurements so you get the 500 mgs/week

If you can't do that, then you need to step back for a while and learn a LOT more before starting this

[gordongecko74]

gotta be honest tmos i thought u were goin kinda easy on him. lol

[T-MOS]

gotta be honest tmos i thought u were goin kinda easy on him. lol

yea, i guess i am feeling soft today.....GEEEZZZZZ try to be nice and it always backfires!!!

and only conceded giving him the advice cause he said he did it before, but obviously had no clue the first time either!!

[roonie]

on the sus bottle is says:

1ml
sustanon '250'
testosterone prppionate ph. eur. 30mg
testosterone phenylpropionate b.p 60mg
testosterone isocaproate 60mg
testosterone decanoate b.p 100mg

which i now get is 250mg lol

sorry guys lol

thanks tho for the help have had a lot a different information for different people
its good to talk to people who know what there on about

[gordongecko74]

ronnie do some more reading and follow what guys like tmos say. research + questions = an education. plenty of knowledge and experience here.


i'm always reading ya tmos...