First cycle of Sustamed

[ptrunner]

Hey Guys,

I'm still a bit of a newbie at this. I've done a couple cycles if WINNY and liked it. I just finished a cycle of EQ about a month age and it was crap stuff. I might as well have been shooting water in my ass.
I think i have found a lagit source and one of the thinks I can get is SUSTAMED 1ml amp at 250 mg per ml. I guess it is the same as SUSTANON 250. It has:

testosterone propionate - 30 mg,
testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg,
testosterone isocaproate - 60mg,
testosterone decanoate -100

I'm 5' 10" 190 and about 11% body fat.
I'm still not sure what else I would cycle this with but I was hoping I could get a little more info on this stuff. I know it had the 4 different types of test in it for time release affect but how often and how much would be the norm. Or, should I not even use this and go for a single form of test?

[skeldno]

do 1ml every other day mate i would stick to a test only cycle. Have you got your pct planned?

[Ernst]

^^You're recommending he use 875mg/wk? Why? Doesn't look like he's even done a test cycle before.

OP, how old are you?

What about pct (for the previous cycles and this one)?

[skeldno]

sorry mate rushed into that one a little quick my bad.

[ptrunner]

I'm 38 and I have Tamoxifen for pct.

[Dont wanna be old]

do 1ml every other day mate i would stick to a test only cycle. Have you got your pct planned?

I think he asking thoughts on this mxture of sustanon he has. Do not take 1ml every other day.
This is sustanon 250 info



17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + 4 different esters
Propionate, Phenylpropionate, Isocaproate, Decanoate
Formula (base): C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight, Esters:
Propionate: 362.5082
Phenylpropionate: 438.6058
Isocaproate: 404.5886
Decanoate: 460.6958
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Manufacturer: Organon
Effective Dose (Men): 500-2000mg/ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: Up to 3 weeks
Detection Time: 3+ months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100


This product was developed by Organon as an ideal HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) solution, and it was thought at the time that the different esters would be able to provide a constant release of Testosterone over a months time. Sustanon is a blend of different estered testosterones (4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

This drug was highly sought after as a “superior” version of testosterone in the late 80’s and through the mid 90’s. No doubt this is partly due to the very nice write-up Dan Duchaine gave it in his newsletters. However, lets keep in mind that this drug was designed for convenience, not athletics or bodybuilding. The advantage to this drug, according to the manufacturer, is that it can be injected once a month, and the different esters would provide different timed releases over that month, and the patient would therefore only need to visit the doctor once a month for his shot. For athletes or bodybuilders (who routinely use between half a gram and a gram of testosterone per week), this product is really no better than any other form of injectable testosterone.

Lately, it seems that this product has fallen out of favor with Steroid.com members, as many feel that the inclusion of the Propionate and phenylpropionate estered forms of testosterone in this blend would necessitate shooting every other day. This stems from the fact that testosterone propionate would be shot every other day at least, and testosterone phenylpropionate would generally be shot every third day.

Sustanon will do exactly what other forms of testosterone will do:

Testosterone will cause both muscle growth as well as fat loss. It sends a message to muscle cells to store more contractile protein (called actin and myosin), thus making your muscles grow. It also protects your muscles from catabolic (muscle wasting) glucocorticoid hormones(1). Thus it is often said that testosterone is not only anabolic, but it is strongly catabolic. Not only does it cause an increase in size of the muscle fibres (hyperfascia) but it also can change the appearance and the actual number of muscle fibres (Hyperplasia)(2). Testosterone has the ability to increase erythropoiesis (red blood cell production) in your kidneys(4), and a higher Red Blood Cell (RBC) count may improve endurance by producing more highly oxygenated blood. More RBCs can also improve recovery from strenuous physical activity. Agression levels often rise dramatically with the use of any exogenous testosterone (3). Testosterone improves muscle contraction by increasing the number of motor neutrons in muscle(5) and improves neuromuscular transmission(6). It also promotes glycogen synthesis(7)

And, since Sustanon is simply a form of (well actually 4 forms of) testosterone, we also know that administration of this compound will produce a dose respondant curve. (10)A what? Yeah...basically a "dose respondant curve" is the fancy way of saying "the more you take, the bigger you get..."
This is true of Sustanon as well as for every form of testosterone, up to a point.

Unfortunately, Sustanon will also do all of the bad things that any form of testosterone is known for:


It will convert to the female hormone estrogen (via a mechanism known as aromatization) by the (you guessed it) aromatize enzyme. Excessive estrogen can lead to unwanted side effects, such as acne, the growth of breast tissue (gynecomastia), fat gain and reduced fat breakdown, loss of sex drive, testicular shrinkage and water retention. Water retention can increase blood pressure weakening blood vessels over time. Unfortunately, this isn’t all it does…it can also interact with the 5 alpha-reductase enzyme. This interaction converts the testosterone to Dihydro-testosterone (DHT), a more androgenic form of the parent hormone. DHT has a high binding affinity to the tissues of the scalp resulting in hair loss in loss in users who suffer from male pattern baldness. DHT can affect the prostate as well, making it larger. This swelling can cause the gland to press against the bladder causing urinary problems. Drugs called 5alpha-reductase inhibitors can prevent these symptoms without blocking testosterone’s anabolic effects.(8) Higher dosages of test can also negatively impact cholesterol, lowering HDL(9). Testosterone is probably the safest steroid around, but it can’t be taken lightly, and Sustanon is no different.

The principal drawback to Sustanon is it’s cost. It can cost between $5 an ampule and $12 an ampule. Compared with Omnadren, Testoviron, or even Sten (other testosterone products featuring various blends of Testosterone), the cost makes it prohibitive. An equal amount of an of the aforementioned products can be had for less than half the average cost of an amp of Sustanon. Sustanon, therefore, is no better or worse than any other form of testosterone...if the price is right.


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[diesel405]

Well first off, i have heard newbies should start it off small with just one kinda test, like cyp. That is your choice. My first (2nd 3rd ect. ect.) was the meat and potatoes of steroids. Cyp and Decca (or cpy and eq), one cc of each every 72 hrs. Over the years i have just upped the dose. I stay on for 83 days a year, and with proper pct and diet i keep most of my gains year round. I have tried sus and i acquired signs of gynecomastia (bitch tits), which is common in some males so have some nolvadex on hand incase you have the same reaction. Needless to say that shit was tossed in the garbage. I have tried tren, which most people love and it really didnt make me feel any different. Im sure ill get bashed for saying that but eff it, it just wasnt worth the feeling when u nick a vein and start coughing so bad ya cant even breathe. Anyway i dont claim to know evertything about aas, these are just my opinions. I would start off the same way i did. BE SAFE!!! And why would you do a cycle of eq without a test? It just may have been good gear, you just didnt have the test to go with it.

[ptrunner]

dontwannabold, I did read that profile on the sustanon and i believe it is the same as the sustamed i can get just a different manufacturer but it doesn't have a sugested dose or frequency. Also how long should the cycle be and if it is good enough to use by itself?

[Dont wanna be old]

I don't wanna suggest or recommend any cycle . I'm a poster child for bad experience's . The veteran's of these forum's would know more . They ask stats for this.
I just know quad test 1ml EOD is huge cycle .

[march2408]

would i gain from taking .5 cc eod on this no stack have access to dbol what do u guys think i am now taking 2cc every 5 days which is better?

[chuckt12345]

at least do it twice a wk instead of 2ml every 5 days

[KimboHalfSlice]

1cc every 3rd day, that's what I did, it works out at 583 mg per week.