Not just another Winny-Only Question!

[TheProThatDoesntKnow]

I wanted to get some feedback from you boys pertaining to these “Winstrol-Only” cycles that some are swearing by, and others are swearing at. As you may have guessed from my name and pic, I am a serious natural competitor but I have no clue when it comes to any sort of gear.
The main interest in a “Winstrol-Only” cycle is that I am dieting now and am desperate to maintain the muscle that we all train so ferociously for. This coupled with the fact that I am cycling T3’s with ECA every other week, plus cardio, plus diet is definitely a recipe for some muscular atrophy. Yes, it’s all part of the game when you’re a “natural guy” but to be honest, I’m tired of it. So if you think I can get away with some Winni (and some milk-thistle) please recommend:
1. Other over the counter products that may augment or help
2. Dosage (I have 6 weeks of orals)
3. Anything else you feel is pertinent

As for the Winstrol-Only haters, (as I am sure you outweigh the advocates on this forum) I can completely respect your negative thoughts on such a light menu and why you may disagree. With that said, let me in your educated thoughts. I am willing to throw something else in the mix if you think it’s absolutely necessary. To be honest I am concerned about my natural test shutting down with just the Winstrol so please educate this rook. So if you’re a Winnie-Only hater, please recommend:
1. One or two (max) other substances to stack with the Winni. Possibly a form of test and some anti-estrogen.
2. If you recommend more gear to go along with it, please recommend dosages along with the Winstrol. (my shoot is in 6 weeks so please accommodate this timeframe)
3. PCT advice
3. And for god sakes tell me WHY! Negative, condescending responses on these threads, without info supporting the claim truly supports a “meat-head” stereo type boys. Give it to me straight, give me some heat – just back it up.

Thanks

[T-MOS]

its not that we are winny haters, its

WHY would you want to take a compound that is going to SHUT OFF your natural production of the ONE hormone that makes Men, men???

winny WILL shut down your HPTA

do you know what it is like to have NO TESTOSTERONE running through your body???

That is why it is NEVER suggested to run Winny ONLY.... You NEED to supplement the testosterone you are LOSING with exogenous Testosterone !!!

[T-MOS]

If you are looking for cycle advice, we need more info on you

age
height
weight
bodyfat %
diet
yrs training
PCT knowledge
previous cycles, if any, lengths, doses, compounds, PCT ran
Goals for this cycle

[TheProThatDoesntKnow]

As I mentioned in my post, based on the science I understand that it will shut off my test, I just hear and see multiple success stories of ppl doing Winstrol-Only. The conflict between those two schools is what prompted the post.
As I educate myself further I realize that adding another compound is a very likely possibility. If in fact that is what I have to do, I am looking for a "minimalist stack" that will include the Winny that I've already purchased.

Here are the vitals:
-27 yrs
-6 ft
-205
-11-14%
-10 yrs of training
-When getting ready for shows or shoots, the only thing I've taken that wasn't over the counter was Clen.
-Very clean pre-contest diet
-Limited PCT knowledge
-7 weeks out
The ultimate goal here, is to lose fat and fat only. Formerly natural, I always lose muscle while prepping fo a show/shoot. It is imperative this time that I maintain the muscle/proportions while stripping mid-section fat as the my sponsor has requested a specific look for the shoot.

[T-MOS]

When venturing to the dark side, it is ALWAYS best to start with ONE compound. A single ester TEST. that way you know and learn how your body reacts to it. you start adding other compounds in before you know how your body reacts, and you will have no clue as to what is doing what to your body, both good or bad

the people that have had "success" with winny only cycles, I am sure are NOT educated nor do they understand the bad effects to look for so to them, it may seem like success because they don't know any better

[TheProThatDoesntKnow]

Thanks again T-MOS, great advice. So the Winstrol by itself is out which brings me to my next question.


.....With that said, if I'm gonna go over to the dark-side here, again I want it to be on a minimalist stack - The Winstrol, some form of Test, and something to combat the androgenic side effects plus some PCT. So remember I have a maximum of seven weeks to do this and have access to several different forms of testosterone that I can get almost immediately.

Thank-you in advance, I look forward to your advice regarding the cycle, corresponding dosages based on my goals as well as PCT

[T-MOS]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

If you are looking for a SHORT cycle, then you will need to go with a short ester test like PROP and inject ED or EOD

[CJ.]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

If you are looking for a SHORT cycle, then you will need to go with a short ester test like PROP and inject ED or EOD

^+! I've seen guys run prop and winni for 6 short weeks and have outstanding results. I would prefer prop over any other test, just me though.

[Steroidman99]

Remember please that Winstrol+testosterone may be a disaster for your hair, if you are predisposed to baldness. It won't help you with acne either.

Furthermore, for a novice of your weight, 30 mg/day orally will be very probably sufficient for gaining a very solid strength and hardness, not only maintaining muscle mass. And you should keep basically everything, even on a simple PCT with tamoxifen 10-20 mg/day.

Except for serious issues with hairloss, the main reason, why I wouldn't run Winstrol anymore, is the unbearable pain that it causes in joints. Naturally, everybody is different, but my trainings during a cycle with Winstrol became a medieval torture. One good solution would be to add nandrolone to the cycle, because it heals joints, and Winstrol suppresses the progestagenic activity of nandrolone (hence both compounds mutually negate their side effects). Unfortunately, nandrolone strongly suppresses endogenous testosterone. It wouldn't be a problem for me (with a well-planned PCT), but again, everybody is different and has different expectations and aims.

But overall, I think that oxandrolone would be a much, much better choice for your purpose. And it doesn't have to be expensive, if you can get a steroid powder dissolved in alcohol.

[TheProThatDoesntKnow]

Based on the cycle, do you guys think I should keep the Nolva on hand during the 6-week cycle or should I use it from the start just to be safe. I feel I may be prone to gyno due to my short experience with M1T so...
-Take the Nolva from week 1?

OR,

-Take it only if I feel sensitivity? (I'd rather not do this option in fear that I may be too late)

(....I also plan to take .25 of Armidex following the cycle...anythoughts on that?)

[Biff77]

not to highjack but I have quick question on this...


My buddy just did a 6 week winny only,, and is gonna get blood drawn tommorow,,, is he gonna show no test?? or is he gonna show test because he is on winny untill the day before he gets blood taken?? or what is the blood test gonna show,, besdies cholesterol flip??

[chuckt12345]

not to highjack but I have quick question on this...


My buddy just did a 6 week winny only,, and is gonna get blood drawn tommorow,,, is he gonna show no test?? or is he gonna show test because he is on winny untill the day before he gets blood taken?? or what is the blood test gonna show,, besdies cholesterol flip??

winny is not test so it wont show any artificial test,, he may show a low test score though from winny shutting him down some. I personally dont feel winny is real suppresive so it prb wont be that bad.

[Biff77]

thanks chuck