1st Cycle, need opinion

[MS10]

Hi, I'm 21 i've been training for over a year..

i have 1,84, and 77kg..

i was thinking about doing a cycle, and a personal trainer that i know told me to use dianabol and winstrol for a 6 week cycle.
they're both oral.

do you think it's a good choice?

do i need to take something to protect the liver or something? or to return my hormonal levels when i finish the cycle?

thanks for the answers.

[chuckt12345]

lol, but you really wont be thankin anyone after they done with this thread.

all i can tell you is dbol and winny plus your age is horrible advice from trainer

[Big]

Welcome, and that's horrible advice. Take some time to read the educational threads at the top of the appropriate sections then post any questions that remain.

[sigman roid]

your to young to do steroids and the personal trainer who told you to do winni and dbol is an idiot

[garbageman18]

your to young to do steroids and the personal trainer who told you to do winni and dbol is an idiot

lol, how do some people give random advice on roids when they know they dont know what they are talking bout, especially personal trainers, seems like none of these guys care about losing credibility

[MS10]

and what about taking them separatly? starting only with dbol

[TheBerryhillMonster]

Go to (steroid cycles) and click beginner cycles and pick one there if you think you are ready. But you haven't been training long enough to reach your natural peak. IMO.

[Jfew44]

Still a bad idea. Do yourself a favor and do a little research before putting foreign compounds into your body.

[Big]

and what about taking them separatly? starting only with dbol

See post 3^

[MS10]

Go to (steroid cycles) and click beginner cycles and pick one there if you think you are ready. But you haven't been training long enough to reach your natural peak. IMO.

I just went there, but i want only oral steroids ... and only for a 6 week cycle at most..

can you help me? can i take only dbol ? what is your advice?

thanks

[RANA]

Your training is retarded and has no clue on what to take or how to take it or anything else....
Sorry I had to vent

[-Ender-]

I just went there, but i want only oral steroids ... and only for a 6 week cycle at most..

can you help me? can i take only dbol ? what is your advice?

thanks

You are being helped.
The "advice" that you have been given is to please read and use the search function.
You have also been told that you should not take dbol by itself.







did i miss anything?

[T-MOS]

I just went there, but i want only oral steroids ... and only for a 6 week cycle at most..

can you help me? can i take only dbol ? what is your advice?

thanks

You got answers, just not the ones you want to hear!

Dbol ONLY is TERRIBLE....you will get strong, gain a TON of WATER weight, and LOSE it ALL when you are done

It will shut off your natural testosterone , so you will be left with a limp dick...does that sound appealing?

Please do not put things into your body when you have NO CLUE as to what they will do to you ....not smart

[MS10]

i've been reading a lot of topics in the forum, but i didn't find any cycle with only oral steroids ? when i ask if u can help, it's this i'm talking about.. can i do a first cycle based only on oral steroids ?

cause i can't give the injections to myself and i don't have anyone to give them to me..

if so, what about protections? for the liver, and restoring natural hormone production

[-Ender-]

MS10
READ this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758
READ this:
**Guide on how to search for information on the forums**

[c-Z]

Whats that ender? PCT? Never heard of..........

LMAO...... If your afraid of a needle bro.... DONT even think about steroids ..... Sorry to burst yer bubble... but running an oral cycle is garbage. Not to mention you always want to have some Test.

[-Ender-]

just trying to help.

I felt that there might be a language barrier for him.....

[MS10]

i'm not afraid of a needle, i'm used to penicillin shots... i already said what it the problem and i din't knew the term PCT because my main language isn't english.

the answer i want it, "it is or not possible to do an oral cycle as first cycle? if so, what is the pct needed"

thanks.

[-Ender-]

"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

Swifto's PCT and hCG advice
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

*just stole these from Warmachine



alright. Can I flame him now?

[c-Z]

You want test in your cycle. And only test I have ever seen..... Is injectable. it's not bad at all bro.. 2x a week pin is cake.

[c-Z]

alright. Can I flame him now?

Now now lets play nice..... If he wants a limp noodle and massive water weight. We all know dbol is the king of kings... As well as king of loosing it all. Maybe thats what he wants?

[c-Z]

Alright honestly I'm done with this post.... been here longer than I should..... Orals only are garbage. You need Test in your system. Orals are also more liver toxic. Injection is the best route. Read more.

[T-MOS]

i'm not afraid of a needle, i'm used to penicillin shots... i already said what it the problem and i din't knew the term PCT because my main language isn't english.

the answer i want it, "it is or not possible to do an oral cycle as first cycle? if so, what is the pct needed"

thanks.

IF it was possible, don't you think we would have told you that by now??

ORAL ONLY cycles are NOT good..... IF they were, we would say they were and tell you what to take.

Not sure how to make that any clearer for you !!

its your body, do whatever you want to it, BUT if you want to stay healthy and keep your gains, then you need to take time and learn how to do this CORRECTLY.......or don't waste your time or your health doing it half assed

[-Ender-]

you're right, I edited post 19, and am leaving this alone.
besides, if it goes to the top again T-Mos is going to grenade.

[xavier_888888]

The asnwer "NO" . You are not ready for a cycle. EDUCATE BEFORE YOU MEDICATE.

[T-MOS]

The asnwer "NO" . You are not ready for a cycle. EDUCATE BEFORE YOU MEDICATE.

damn that's a catchy saying........too bad these newbs don't care about their health enough to listen to it

[MS10]

i'm not afraid of a needle, i'm used to penicillin shots... i already said what it the problem and i din't knew the term PCT because my main language isn't english.

the answer i want it, "it is or not possible to do an oral cycle as first cycle? if so, what is the pct needed"

thanks.

[T-MOS]

i'm not afraid of a needle, i'm used to penicillin shots... i already said what it the problem and i din't knew the term PCT because my main language isn't english.

the answer i want it, "it is or not possible to do an oral cycle as first cycle? if so, what is the pct needed"

thanks.

Seriously???? Did you not read my post #23 above??? you felt the need to copy and post this again???

IF it was possible, don't you think we would have told you that by now??

ORAL ONLY cycles are NOT good..... IF they were, we would say they were and tell you what to take.

Not sure how to make that any clearer for you !!

its your body, do whatever you want to it, BUT if you want to stay healthy and keep your gains, then you need to take time and learn how to do this CORRECTLY.......or don't waste your time or your health doing it half assed

[-Ender-]

you're right, I edited post 19, and am leaving this alone.
besides, if it goes to the top again T-Mos is going to grenade.

LOL Here we go!!

[MS10]

Seriously???? Did you not read my post #23 above??? you felt the need to copy and post this again???

sorry i didn't read that...

so my option is to learn to inject myself? -.-'

[Big]

at your height and weight your best option is oral, food. you are underweight for your height.
you are also too young to cycle in my opinion.
regardless if you are intent on a oral cycle look into anavar and/or tbol.

[c-Z]

Big I think your completely correct.... A heaping dose of oral food is excellent for this young lad. How many mgs would you say is the next question i'm sure we will here.

I just had to come back and see how this was dragging... Sorry I didn't edit my posts and 3x posted.......

[thai-lan]

lol stubborn young people !!

[MS10]

You got answers, just not the ones you want to hear!

Dbol ONLY is TERRIBLE....you will get strong, gain a TON of WATER weight, and LOSE it ALL when you are done

It will shut off your natural testosterone , so you will be left with a limp dick...does that sound appealing?

Please do not put things into your body when you have NO CLUE as to what they will do to you ....not smart

there is only one thing i don't understand..

stuff like "NO Explode" "Massacra" "Animal Stak", makes u a little bit stronger when u'r training but when u stop using it the effect where's off but you always stay like 5%-10% stronger, why do u say that doesn't happen with dbol and that u loose it all?

about getting a "limp dick" if the cause of the production stop of testosterone in a body is the high levels of testosterone , why do u say that dbol as a worse effect then testosterone shots?

in the case of getting a "limp dick" doesn't that have to do with bad pct?

this is the last question i'm asking, and i'm not going to take dbol with winstrol .

[beerpong]

there is only one thing i don't understand..

stuff like "NO Explode" "Massacra" "Animal Stak", makes u a little bit stronger when u'r training but when u stop using it the effect where's off but you always stay like 5%-10% stronger, why do u say that doesn't happen with dbol and that u loose it all?

about getting a "limp dick" if the cause of the production stop of testosterone in a body is the high levels of testosterone , why do u say that dbol as a worse effect then testosterone shots?

in the case of getting a "limp dick" doesn't that have to do with bad pct?

this is the last question i'm asking, and i'm not going to take dbol with winstrol.

YES take D-bol!!!...... mess up your natural testosterone and never be able get an a erection again!! D-bol needs to be ran with test which is a base of all cycles. Please take time to read the stickies to educate yourself bro.

[T-MOS]

there is only one thing i don't understand..

stuff like "NO Explode" "Massacra" "Animal Stak", makes u a little bit stronger when u'r training but when u stop using it the effect where's off but you always stay like 5%-10% stronger, why do u say that doesn't happen with dbol and that u loose it all?

about getting a "limp dick" if the cause of the production stop of testosterone in a body is the high levels of testosterone , why do u say that dbol as a worse effect then testosterone shots?

in the case of getting a "limp dick" doesn't that have to do with bad pct?

this is the last question i'm asking, and i'm not going to take dbol with winstrol.

seems like there is a LOT more then ONE thing you don't understand !!!

The Cause of having a limp dick is due to the body having NO TESTOSTERONE, not high levels.

You get NO test from taking something that will shut off your natural production like DBOL !!!

Unless you supplement the body with exogenous testoserone, then you will have libido and erection problems !!

A poor PCT can also cause libido problems but that is for separate reasons, and that is AFTER the cycle is over and you stop taking supplemental test and your natural testosterone hasn't turned back on


Don't know how much clearer I can make this for you.

its simple, DON"T TAKE DBOL WITHOUT TESTOSTERONE

if you do, don't come crying here when you are screwed up and ask why

[MS10]

thank you for the explanations.

i'm thinking then to take the novice cycle:

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

what do i need for pct ? and what should i have in hand during the cycle?

it's a really long cycle though...

Edit:
i just spoke with the trainer and he said me to do 250mg/week of Test for 8 weeks, doing a pyramid cycle, 3rd and 4th week 500mg of Test, using dianabol as a kickstart for the first 4 weeks using 10 to 15mg a day, and then if needed to do a winstrol cycle after the eight weeks..

opinions?

[T-MOS]

We gave you our opinions YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN

so go do what you want

GOOD LUCK

Your trainer is STUPID, do NOT do what he suggested, but you don't listen so I GIVE UP

[chuckt12345]

MS10 just run a freaking test only cycle for 10wks since your apparently going to do something,, and tell your trainer hes a dumb fk,, you pretty much came to the biggest aas forum on the planet and people (most) know there shite so listen to them.

[MS10]

the cycle is diferent, and has testosterone , that's why i'm asking... did u read that? =s

test + dianabol like in the novice cycle, dosage is weaker...