3rd cycle help.

**LizzardSecond** · 05-30-2009, 08:47 PM

I am about to begin a cycle in a month and have not been able to narrow down on what is right for me.

I am 32 6ft 202lb 8%bf. I was about 165lb 14 months ago pre-first cycle. My first two were test cycles. I am also in my 4th month of hgh.

I wanted to do test and tren e but the latter is not available from my supplier in enathenate but only acetate. The reason i choose this cycle is because I heard that tren was 3x as anabolic as test.

My goal is to build lean muscle. I dont like bloat so i think this time I am going to add masteron pills. My other issue is acne, which I also don't have a solution to this problem. I'd rather take some type of pill to reduce it vs soaps and other things. I already use benzole peroxide daily.

**johnnybigguns** · 05-30-2009, 08:50 PM

For your first tren run it is highly suggested to run tren A.

***RAGE*** · 05-30-2009, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by johnnybigguns

For your first tren run it is highly suggested to run tren A.

agreed, if you need to come off you have to have the tren a...

**LizzardSecond** · 05-30-2009, 09:15 PM

so I have to do daily injections? Not sure if I am ready for that.

What other steroid are as anabolic as tren ?

**LizzardSecond** · 05-31-2009, 08:58 AM

Bump. Please help.

**LizzardSecond** · 05-31-2009, 10:59 AM

guys i really need some help in choosing something to stack with my test. Can anyone help me?

Is deca a good choice?

**ninesecz** · 05-31-2009, 11:00 AM

I do not think anything else is as anabolic as tren . On the anabolic scale Test is rated at 100 and Tren is rated at 500!! I did tren E my first time for 7 weeks and had no problems (low dose) I did not finish because I was traveling and left the bottle in a hotel by mistake!
I hear ya though, shooting ED would suck

**LexusIS09** · 05-31-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

guys i really need some help in choosing something to stack with my test. Can anyone help me?

Is deca a good choice?

Well it depends what your goals are... if you want to do a nice cutter cycle (lose only bf%.. while retaining muscle mass / size) then do something like this:

Tren A (50mg) - weeks 1 - 9 (each day injections)
Test Prop (75mg) - weeks 1 - 9 (each day injections)

or if you want to do a bulker:

Test-E (600mg) - weeks 1 - 14 (twice a week injections)
Deca (500mg) - weeks 1 - 12 (twice a week injection, mix with test E)
Winny (50mg) - weeks 11 - 16 (each day injections or pills)

hope that helps.

**dd0316** · 05-31-2009, 11:13 AM

EQ is pretty anabolic as well and not very androgenic ...i think its got a similar rating to test if i remember reading correctly...but its strength and vascular effects are far greater....
might be something to think about

**LexusIS09** · 05-31-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by dd0316

EQ is pretty anabolic as well and not very androgenic ...i think its got a similar rating to test if i remember reading correctly...but its strength and vascular effects are far greater....
might be something to think about

EQ is retarded. Its the worst, most uneffective compound out-there.

The only thing EQ is good for is oiling the chain on your bicycle. Save your money and buy Deca or Tren .

... even an oral like anadrol is better then EQ

**dd0316** · 05-31-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by LexusIS09

EQ is retarded. Its the worst, most uneffective compound out-there.

The only thing EQ is good for is oiling the chain on your bicycle. Save your money and buy Deca or Tren .

... even an oral like anadrol is better then EQ

everyones opinion is different...few guys ive talked to swear by it, hunger, veins, strength....sounds good to me

***T-MOS*** · 05-31-2009, 11:24 AM

Tren may be 3X as anabolic , but it 10 X as harsh on sides as any other compound. So if your gonna try it, do the Ace ester to see if you can handle the sides first. That way if you have to stop, its out of you in a few days instead of weeks

**LizzardSecond** · 05-31-2009, 03:23 PM

I don't think that I am ready for a cutting cycle. I am not big enough yet. My goals are to get to 215 before I start to really lean out. I do no cardio and I am down to 8% bf.

If I do Deca with test the dosage needs to be lower than the test? I think that 600mg of test and Deca and Winny maybe is a big jump from a standard test cycle.

How is 400mg of daca and 400mg of test. Is the winny needed.

***T-MOS*** · 05-31-2009, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

I don't think that I am ready for a cutting cycle. I am not big enough yet. My goals are to get to 215 before I start to really lean out. I do no cardio and I am down to 8% bf.

If I do Deca with test the dosage needs to be lower than the test? I think that 600mg of test and Deca and Winny maybe is a big jump from a standard test cycle.

How is 400mg of daca and 400mg of test. Is the winny needed.

it is a false myth that test has to be higher then Deca

**LexusIS09** · 05-31-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

I don't think that I am ready for a cutting cycle. I am not big enough yet. My goals are to get to 215 before I start to really lean out. I do no cardio and I am down to 8% bf.

If I do Deca with test the dosage needs to be lower than the test? I think that 600mg of test and Deca and Winny maybe is a big jump from a standard test cycle.

How is 400mg of daca and 400mg of test. Is the winny needed.

here, I'll suggest a cycle. This will be really fun... Not only will it get you really bulked up, but it'll get you nice and cut up leading up to PCT.

Test-E 500-600mg (weeks 1 - 14)
Deca 500-600mg (weeks 1- 12)
Winny @50mg ED (weeks 11 - 16)

The joint relieve with the winny is really nice. great synergy.

have fun!

**LizzardSecond** · 05-31-2009, 05:50 PM

you already recommended that cycle. I don't know about being off for 16 weeks. I thought 12 was the limit.

I am assuming a cycle of this nature requires an aggressive PCT.

Week 15-17 HCG of 500iu EOD
Week 15-21 20mg of Novaldex & 100mg of Clomid 12.5mg of Aeromasin

That may be rough on my sex drive though after the cycle. Its sensitive to totally killing off my estrogen. After my first cycle i did Novaldex and Aeromasin and the sides too much estrogen. Acne etc. After the second i did 20mg of Novaldex 100mg of Clomid and I had zero sex drive. Think 100mg of Clomid was too much.

***T-MOS*** · 05-31-2009, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

you already recommended that cycle. I don't know about being off for 16 weeks. I thought 12 was the limit.

I am assuming a cycle of this nature requires an aggressive PCT.

Week 15-17 HCG of 500iu EOD
Week 15-21 20mg of Novaldex & 100mg of Clomid 12.5mg of Aeromasin

That may be rough on my sex drive though after the cycle. Its sensitive to totally killing off my estrogen. After my first cycle i did Novaldex and Aeromasin and the sides too much estrogen. Acne etc. After the second i did 20mg of Novaldex 100mg of Clomid and I had zero sex drive. Think 100mg of Clomid was too much.

Lexus has a way of giving over the top and crap advice, so be careful how much you listen to him

You can run that cycle 12 weeks for the test, 10 for the deca , and still run the winny two weeks past the test and be fine if you like that cycle

**WARMachine** · 05-31-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

you already recommended that cycle. I don't know about being off for 16 weeks. I thought 12 was the limit.

I am assuming a cycle of this nature requires an aggressive PCT.

Week 15-17 HCG of 500iu EOD
Week 15-21 20mg of Novaldex & 100mg of Clomid 12.5mg of Aeromasin

That may be rough on my sex drive though after the cycle. Its sensitive to totally killing off my estrogen. After my first cycle i did Novaldex and Aeromasin and the sides too much estrogen. Acne etc. After the second i did 20mg of Novaldex 100mg of Clomid and I had zero sex drive. Think 100mg of Clomid was too much.

Ive never had issues with my sex drive from Clomid... 100mgs is fine for the first week, but after i drop it to 50mgs ED.

**Juice Authority** · 05-31-2009, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

I am about to begin a cycle in a month and have not been able to narrow down on what is right for me.

I am 32 6ft 202lb 8%bf. I was about 165lb 14 months ago pre-first cycle. My first two were test cycles. I am also in my 4th month of hgh.

I wanted to do test and tren e but the latter is not available from my supplier in enathenate but only acetate. The reason i choose this cycle is because I heard that tren was 3x as anabolic as test.

My goal is to build lean muscle. I dont like bloat so i think this time I am going to add masteron pills. My other issue is acne, which I also don't have a solution to this problem. I'd rather take some type of pill to reduce it vs soaps and other things. I already use benzole peroxide daily.

Test Prop/Var/Masteron and NPP for 8 weeks. You won't even need an AI or SERM with this cycle but you will need to run a PCT.

Contrary to popular belief you don't need ed injects either.

Prop - 100mg/eod
Masteron - 100mgs/eod
NPP - 100mgs/eod
Var - 50mgs/ed

That's a fast acting, hard hitting lean cutter. You'll keep a lot of your gains on a cycle like that too.

**WARMachine** · 05-31-2009, 06:53 PM

EOD is fine. But ED is optimal. ^

**_CrossroadS_** · 05-31-2009, 07:08 PM

I don't see why people make such a big deal out of shooting ED. I'd rather shoot ED with my tiny little needles, leave no scar tissue, and have stable hormone levels than filling my arse up with lots of juice at one time. It's a great routine to start or finish your day, or like me, get your mind right for your workout.

50mg-100mg Prop/ 50-75mg TrenA ED. You should try cutting your compounds down with EO or BB and more oil, and get the above dosages in 1ml of juice. Using a 27g needle hurts less, and works just fine. Hell I'm using that and slin pins right now. Don't be afraid of shooting ED, many advantages. On the other hand, if you go test e/ tren e, it wouldn't make sense

***T-MOS*** · 05-31-2009, 07:19 PM

ED is much easier for me, I don't have to try to remember if its an inject day or not...EVERYDAY is an inject day...oh yea !!!!

**LizzardSecond** · 06-01-2009, 05:11 PM

I have read on this website info section that Deca cannot be run less than 12 weeks for results.

If I choose tren acetate can I backload slin pins and inject my shoulders traps bis tri's forearms or any other lean area?

**Navy-boi-kai** · 06-01-2009, 05:26 PM

you should go read some more info on injections spots look it up. I would hate for you to just shoot anywhere.

**Juice Authority** · 06-01-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by LizzardSecond

I have read on this website info section that Deca cannot be run less than 12 weeks for results.

If I choose tren acetate can I backload slin pins and inject my shoulders traps bis tri's forearms or any other lean area?

Not my experience. I never run Deca longer than 10 weeks, usually 8 weeks. It has 10 carbon atoms and stays active in your system for quite a long time.